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VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

https://www.ft.com/content/356674b0-9f1d-4f95-b1d5-f27570379a9b
129•mmarian•5h ago

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mmarian•5h ago
https://archive.is/GWdx5
userbinator•4h ago
This was an entirely predictable outcome.
arrowsmith•3h ago
As is the next step: a slow but steady expansion of what's considered "unsafe" or "harmful" used to justify ever-increasing restrictions and censorship.
wkat4242•3h ago
And VPNs will probably end up in that category too :(
lisbbb•2h ago
As a student of 1930s and 1940s history, I can say for sure that the most terrifying aspect of what took place wasn't the "Gestapo" and all the open terror, it was the propaganda that fooled so many people and the censorship that kept the lies alive. Humanity still has not fully come to terms with the layers upon layers of lies that took place before and during WWII.
elitistphoenix•4h ago
Headline should be edited to put safety in quotes
kelseydh•3h ago
Australia is set to adopt these rules in December, it's going to be another boom for VPN providers.
sixothree•3h ago
I went on a weekend vacation with three guys. I was asked what I thought a good VPN was. They all have VPNs on their phones apparently. Here I am thinking they are technologically adept, maybe a little bit security conscious. Or maybe misled by advertisements.

It wasn't until after I got home I realized it was because of adult content.

lisbbb•2h ago
Whatever it is for, let freedom ring. These puritanical laws do nothing but empower government with the end goal of totally controlling online speech.
xdfgh1112•56m ago
Until like a week ago there was no age checking system for porn and no reason to use a VPN really. Although your friends could have been into some very strange stuff.
ethan_smith•3h ago
Classic Streisand effect - attempts to restrict content access inevitably lead to widespread adoption of circumvention technologies.
itake•2h ago
seems to be working in China. While many Chinese use VPN software, many don't bother with the friction and are fine just using rednote and friends.
bapak•2h ago
Leaving the complexity of attempting to circumvent the great firewall aside, VPN isn't free. Not many are willing to drop £60+/year just to avoid identifying yourself on PH. Easier to find a website that doesn't enforce it.
dns_snek•1h ago
> VPN isn't free. Not many are willing to drop £60+/year

Yes it is, well, the shady ones that make you part of a botnet are. Those are the ones people are going to predominantly use.

voidUpdate•3m ago
In the UK case, TOR seems to happily get around these restrictions for free (I gave it a quick check yesterday). I'd imagine that there might be some kind of crackdown on TOR exit nodes in the future though
lesser-shadow•2h ago
"Seems to be working in China." Yeah, let's follow the example of the authoritarian countries just to prove how liberal "democracies" have nothing to do with freedom.
syockit•1h ago
The parent comment is not about following examples, but rather that the impact Streisand effect is going to be very limited, and the common folk will not bother to circumvent.
winrid•1h ago
VPNs barely work in China IME. NordVPN didn't work, for example, and my self hosted VPN would often get disconnected.
xdfgh1112•58m ago
They work but you have to put in some effort to find the right ones.
rtpg•57m ago
Maybe it's changed recently, but I knew a lot of locals just using the VPN stuff to use the outside internet (though, like a couple other countries, they have a big enough homegrown market to where for most people not having fb or whatever is a no-op)

My experiences in the country using VPN stuff was pretty interesting though... it _really_ felt like depending on where you were physically in the country that you were going through completely different censorship pipes. And things like Apple push notifications would just get through no problem so you could at least receive stuff via push from banned apps.

I wonder what kind of detailed explanations of the mechanics there are, because I don't have a mental model of it that works beyond "censors just tell each regional office of national operaors to do stuff and they all do it slightly differently"

sefrost•2h ago
It is only a matter of time before they attempt to regulate VPN usage. Here is an article written by a British MP hinting at that:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/onli...

scott_w•2h ago
It definitely seems like she’s conflating two issues: access to pornography and child grooming. I don’t see why she thinks regulating VPNs would reduce the latter.
pydry•2h ago
She doesnt, she just wants to put in Putin-like levels of control and surveillance for the same reasons Putin does.
userbinator•1h ago
Jinping is probably a better comparison.
derelicta•1h ago
Xi is fairly popular in China tho, unlike this "labour" govt.
dkdbejwi383•53m ago
Do they regularly poll British political parties for popularity in China?
derelicta•50m ago
It was obvious to everyone that i was talking about the popularity of these govts in their respective countries.
dkdbejwi383•22m ago
What’s your source for the labour government’s unpopularity? Not that I necessarily think you’re wrong, it’s just more indifference towards them that I see, more of the same etc.
gitremote•11m ago
How would you know? In countries without free speech where anti-government speech is illegal, the only legal speech is pro-government or neutral.
johnisgood•1h ago
It does not. As I have said before, pedophilia is rampant on Roblox and Discord. Go monitor those platforms, and hold these platforms responsible, not VPNs. Regulating VPNs will not reduce child grooming, and I am sure they are not stupid enough to actually think it does.
orthoxerox•13m ago
> Sarah Champion is Labour MP for Rotherham.

Seriously? You can't make this up: she represents the town that did nothing about a massive (and completely offline) child grooming and molestation network for years and she has the gall to say, "think of the children on the Internet"?

tapoxi•2h ago
I really don't understand why it wasn't just a requirement for Apple and Google to include a client side filter. Parent sets up the phone and it's enabled by default. Much simpler option for everyone involved.
john01dav•2h ago
It's because this law isn't about protecting children, but about control of the Internet. They want online activity tied to real identity as a power grab.
airhangerf15•2h ago
Yea, it's all about a permanent Digital ID and the end of any independent forums. It's the first essential steps before you get to great firewalls and social credit scores.

Remember, Tennessee, Mississippi and Texas already have similar laws in place in the US, so even a nation with better speech and gun laws is still not immune from the slow descent into technocracy.

ls612•1h ago
At least in the US the Supreme Court ruled that these sorts of laws are only kosher because they target porn, which is afforded a lower degree of legal protection (albeit not no protection at all). Trying to restrict access to protected political speech or the like the way the UK and Australia did would likely be a very different court case.
userbinator•1h ago
One possibly significant difference is that the cultural attitudes in the US tend to lean more rebellious and distrustful of the government, and "it's legal if you don't get caught" is a somewhat popular sentiment.
iamacyborg•1h ago
> Remember, Tennessee, Mississippi and Texas already have similar laws in place in the US, so even a nation with better speech and gun laws is still not immune from the slow descent into technocracy.

I’m not sure what gun laws have to do with anything but guns are not unreasonably difficult to legally purchase in the UK or EU if you have a specific need for one. It’s a tool and treated as such

rhubarbtree•1h ago
Probably based on long term concerns that escalating inequality will lead to widespread unrest and violence. Which it will, if unaddressed.

Interesting that decades of government leaves half the country to rot, and their solution is to try to stop that half from rioting about it, rather than - perhaps - making society fairer?

cakealert•2h ago
What message does it send when your government tries to impose costs on your preferred behavior while at the same time being unable to do it when you download a single app?

The words that come to mind are malicious and incompetent. The only 'achievement' is to increase contempt towards the government. And the times aren't exactly stable to begin with.

zaptheimpaler•1h ago
Basically every new law, piece of news or media I see coming from the UK paints a picture of a beat-down, cynical & scared society that's complacent to or in support of increasing surveillance and control by the government. Like maybe Adolescence or basically any mention of the NHS. The crimes they cite like child grooming or terrorism/hate being incited sound pretty terrible too, but I wonder why the UK specifically is taking action - is the issue bigger there, or are they just more aware of and willing to act on it.
kevinventullo•1h ago
Neither, they’re just the most convenient excuses for instituting draconian laws.
happymellon•1h ago
Because the media always paints other countries in certain lights, as it helps them build a narrative for their own governments?

> complacent to or in support of increasing surveillance and control by the government

I disagree with this sentiment, however it does show how bad "democracy" can be when voting for a complete government change results in absolutely no change whatsoever.

MaxPock•1h ago
Authoritarian CCTV cameras in Shenzhen Vs democratic CCTV cameras in London
derelicta•59m ago
The Bourgeois love to divide the working class, typical divide and conquer. Indigenous worker vs imported worker, men vs women, queer vs straight, old vs young, car user vs bicycle rider. This is important because it weakens existing solidarities and prevent the emergence of class consciousness. It's part of their modus operandi and has been for centuries, only now they master it thanks to algorithms and machine learning. This increased surveillance also happens to be extremely useful at taming future strikes and protests, or rat out future pro-workers groups
mft_•18m ago
This view (“the Bourgeois’, etc.) seems to imply there’s a group of very clever manipulators somewhere, overtly planning and executing this (presumably in a dark room with armchairs and cigars). But I just can’t imagine this, in the UK’s example.

What I see instead is the other side of Hanlon’s razor —incompetence— coupled with a political class riven with pockets of self-interest, and very few seemingly with an intellectual hypothesis to explain the UK’s current predicament, or to chart a path out of it.

KineticLensman•9m ago
Elements of the UK media fulfil this role, continually advancing a corrosive narrative that the country is broken. E.g. frequently using the words ‘lawless’ or ‘tinderbox’ in any headline or op-ed title that also contains the word ‘Britain’
sapphicsnail•4m ago
Have you read the Telegraph or pretty much any UK media lately?
mattlondon•49m ago
Not saying I agree with the legislation, but the UK experienced a lot of pretty bad domestic terrorism in the rememberable past (namely IRA bombs detonating in towns and cities etc, often with devastating impacts). Then there were the tube and bus suicide bombings more recently. And there has also been a constant pitter-patter of "radicalised lone wolf" type things like the Ariana Grande concert bomber, the guy who killed a load of 8 year old girls at a summer camp and so on.

None of this is porn of course, but supposedly a lot of the lone wolf's are radicalised online so it creates a lot of "someone needs to do something!!!!" type attitudes (and no public gun ownership would not work like everyone says it would because the USA had that yet no one lifted a finger when they needed to recently, and now look what's happened), and sadly the older and more little-c conservative population carriers more clout in terms of policies because historically they tend to vote in greater numbers than younger groups. N.b. that 16 and 17 year olds have very recently been given the right to vote so things may change.

vaylian•37m ago
> Then there were the tube and bus suicide bombings more recently.

That was 20 years ago. Not really recently.

cs02rm0•48m ago
The UK is becoming increasingly authoritarian in ways that feel increasingly antagonistic to the majority of the population, regardless of political party. Taxes are rising (with tax take falling), crimes are going unchecked, just mentioning increased immigration gets a lot of people's backs up, but as GDP per capita continues to stall and even fall, the pressure it puts on services is a factor for many. And we're seeing those with a few quid to rub together leave, but as long as those people leaving are straight, white males, or their families, they're being told "good riddance" regardless of the brain drain and loss of tax income.

On the NHS, I tried for years to push for improvements to switch to digital cancer screening invitations after they missed my mother (offering to build the software for free), which is now happening, but suggesting the NHS isn't perfect is against the religion here. My sister who works in NHS DEI hasn't spoken to me since publishing a book on it.

Every time someone with the finances, vision and ability leaves I think the situation gets a little bit worse, it increases the proportion of people remaining willing to put up with all of it. Anecdotally, many of my friends have already left, some of the older generation want to leave but feel tied in. My flight out is in 6 weeks. Good riddance, no doubt.

piker•10m ago
> Every time someone with the finances, vision and ability leaves I think the situation gets a little bit worse, it increases the proportion of people remaining willing to put up with all of it.

This is the issue.

dakiol•2m ago
Bad brown immigrants come, good white locals leave. Tired of this story.
willvarfar•20m ago
Its because the popular press has, for a very long time, been pushing a narrative of a country under siege. It sells papers, but to keep selling papers, it has to keep steadily upping the narrative over time.
badpenny•7m ago
I agree, but isn't that the case in lots of other countries? I think it's a contributing factor, but there's more to it.
crimsoneer•3m ago
While I appreciate the concern, it's worth pointing out that 30 or so years ago "government should mandate id checks for harmful content" was not some radical dystopian notion.

The UK was also one of the first nations to ban indoor smoking and in cars with kids. I think this is very much in that vein (politically).

thdhhghgbhy•1h ago
The new online safety rules are already being used to shut down government criticism. How it works is their new elite protection squad, if someone is deigned an influential critic of government policy, trawls through your social media posts until they find something against the laws. A lot of government critique is coming from the working class here now, who have virtually no political representation in the UK. As you can imagine, some of these social media posters don't mince their words, and end up getting caught out and arrested.
ChrisKnott•1h ago
Do you have any examples of people being arrested for criticising a law?

Most of the time these dystopian descriptions of the UK turn out to be completely overblown nonsense when you look into them properly.

ls612•1h ago
https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/15/britains-police...

Tons of people are arrested and charged every day for thought crimes in Britain.

dkdbejwi383•50m ago
Yup, along the same lines as the “sharia no go zones” and “get stabbed six ways to Sunday every time you go outside” myths
b800h•36m ago
Our town has been abandoned by police and is overrun with violent criminals on unlicensed motorbikes. So make of that what you will.
dkdbejwi383•21m ago
Which town? I’d be interested in reading about this if you could share some sources please
Devilspawn6666•41m ago
Look up the videos "blackbeltbarrister" on YouTube. He's doing a good job of explaining the law as it is and how it's really being applied in the UK.
b800h•35m ago
I suppose the most recent example are the people from Palestine Action being arrested en masse at protests.
gg82•1h ago
The safety rules are also being used to block content about protests in the UK. How convenient for them.

https://freespeechunion.org/protest-footage-blocked-as-onlin...

alwa•1h ago
> “West Yorkshire Police denied any involvement in blocking the footage. X declined to comment, but its AI chatbot, Grok, indicated the clip had been restricted under the Online Safety Act due to violent content.”

I’m not involved with X or with its chatbot. Is its chatbot ordinarily an authoritative source for facts about assumptions like this one, that the law “was used to take down” politically sensitive video?

It’s a bad look either way, but I feel like there are important differences between the law leading to overly conservative automated filtering, vs political actors using it deliberately in specific cases. Bad symptom either way, but different medicines, right?

portaouflop•1h ago
Of course LLMs are a rubbish source for facts, one should always verify. Not possible in this case so I would assume it just made it up
exodust•59m ago
In this case, Grok is stating the obvious. I'm not sure how you can arrive at any other conclusion. The clip is inaccessible to some users in the UK on the day the act comes online, replaced with a message about local laws and age verification.
exodust•49m ago
> that the law “was used to take down” politically sensitive video?

You've misquoted the chatbot, which is a new one.

The video wasn't "taken down" and Grok never said that. It was blocked for some users in the UK due to the new authoritarian age verification laws which everyone should be concerned about if access to newsworthy content requires "papers please".

crimsoneer•1m ago
The fact X flags protest videos as adult content is not entirely the fault of the UK government.
renegat0x0•1h ago
We all know how people in position of power, governments like kids. Trump also likes kids. They do it for kids, sure.

If not for kids, then why they introduce data-gathering solutions? I wonder why...

dottjt•1h ago
This might be a dumb question, but is it possible for the UK government to ban VPN usage within the UK?
xdfgh1112•1h ago
They banned porn with choking in it. They banned toy advertising in the evening. They tried to ban client side encryption for iCloud. Make no mistake they will go for vpns too.
isaacremuant•20m ago
100%.

Funnily enough. They just need to claim it's "protecting the children" and people fall for it.

The funniest part is that high profile criminal cases go unpunished very visibly. Even if they have minors in their context, because the elite figures in question must be protected from the enforcement of rules.

0x264•57m ago
No they can't. Myself, and quite a few other people, need it for work.
b800h•40m ago
They could force you to provide ID in order to use it though.
adammarples•6m ago
Do you think that will stop them? They tried to ban encryption for petes sake.
OutOfHere•59m ago
UK and Australia are slowly going the way of China in their blocking, and the eventual end effect could be that they will get their citizens cut off from the internet.
exodust•31m ago
They're coming for AI tools next. Here in Australia they're rolling out the academic socialist activists on the public broadcaster. These experts know how to keep us safe apparently.

This morning it was all about "think of the children" in the context of banning AI tools that could potentially be used to make AI generated CSAM. Even adult nudity is in the firing line. Ban the lot was the advice from the expert. Not just banning access, but making it a crime to even possess the tools.

What next? Ban paint brushes because someone might use them to paint offensive images?

isaacremuant•19m ago
The EU too. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-ver...

It's just that Australia and UK tend to lead the way when it comes to authoritarianism and then it becomes "this has always been like this, you conspiracy theorist".

gorgoiler•48m ago
The VPN trick potentially won’t last long. We’ve seen it go stale already in the world of intellectual property rights. For at least the last ten years Netflix et al have been well aware of which AS numbers / IP netblocks correspond to people sat at home in front of the TV, and which correspond to servers in a rack somewhere (including those hosting VPN endpoints.)

One tweak to the rules and all of a sudden not only do porn sites have to verify the age of their UK visitors but also anyone connecting from something other than a residential ISP.

The more troubling thing about these laws is enforcement. The threat of fines only works against websites that map to a business entity. For anything else there will surely see a ramp up in the size of The Great British Firewall Ruleset, edited by the courts, and distributed to the Big N (5?) ISPs.

What will become of the smaller ISPs that refuse to block illegal sites?

nly•20m ago
This isn't about illegal sites?

I don't think many people object to blacklisting known sources of child pornography etc.

The fact is you now have to verify your identity (name and photo id) in the UK to access an adult subreddit.

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