It's a positive development. The actual support of a functioning Palestinian government by surrounding states is crucial for peace and a two-state deal. Some states have actually volunteered peacekeeping forces.
Hamas cannot be trusted to oversee the Palestinian people for the sake of Israel then Israel cannot be trusted to oversee Gaza and the West Bank for the sake of the world.
Genocide and ethnic cleansing are the latest attrocity, they need to be the last.
Egypt ended up with Gaza after the 1948 Arab Israeli war. They controlled Gaza until the 6 day war when they lost it and the Sinai Peninsula. Israel offered to give Gaza back to Egypt as part of the Camp David accords but Egypt didn't want it. Israel abandoned Gaza to Hamas in 2007. But after 10/7 they've decided that was a mistake.
So yeah you can demand all you want that Israeli accept being slaughtered by Islamic terrorists but isn't going to happen. Reality is calls to push Israel into a corner is going to result in stuff you claim not to want.
Go back just a week earlier, and the mask starts to crack.
Go back seventy-five years, and it shatters completely.
Slaughtering peoples family and relatives is an act of violence that should expect repercussions.
The deliberate casting aside of any responsibility for death, including tens to hundreds of thousands of children, plus others, is astounding and frankly unforgivable.
> Slaughtering peoples family and relatives is an act of violence that should expect repercussions.
Yes, that’s why you understand that Hamas ans Hezbollah must be destroyed. Continually starting war with their neighbours should indeed expect repercussions.
It's an ideologically motivated fiction that Israeli's are all Zionist colonizers from Europe. 60% of them are refugees from middle eastern countries. And the majority of the rest are refugees from Europe. I find Middle Easterners and Europeans to have a lot of gall to ignore their contribution the mess.
It is making history and it will be remembered.
If so, at least I understand your thinking. If not, why not?
Israel is Germany not France or Poland in your comparison. If not, why not?
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thisislife2•6mo ago
throwawayhumus•6mo ago
If you remove Hamas there is not longer any justification for the war and Israel would have to stop, Us support would evaporate, too. This would be the best way to protect civilians on all sides and to push for longer term negotiations.
There is a big difference between supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas, which seems to be lost on many.
In fact, it is a big mistake for France and the UK to recognise a Palestinian state without conditions as it in effect vindicates Hamas and so can only create move violence.
nivertech•6mo ago
But those in the middle are wrong.
runarberg•6mo ago
nivertech•6mo ago
1. define “genocide”
2. define “palestinian”
3. define “hamas”
runarberg•6mo ago
The first is a crime against humanity, and includes the ongoing Gaza genocide conducted by Israel, as well as the Rohingya Genocide condected by Burma, the Cambodian Genocide conducted by the Khmer Rouge, etc.
The second is a people group of mostly Arabic speaking people who lived or are descended from people who lived in historic Palestine in what is now Israel and the Israeli occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza.
The third is a political organization and a terrorist group which operates and is the single ruling party of the Israeli occupied territory of Gaza, who‘s primary political position is the liberation of Palestine.
zhengiszen•6mo ago
In fact, Hamas didn't exist in 1948 or even in 1967... At those time Israel was already doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
nailer•6mo ago
runarberg•6mo ago
I will offer an alternative theory from yours: If you remove Hamas it is still quite likely that Israel will find a different justification in a different time for their genocide, and would conduct it anyway with Western aid and complicity.
dragonwriter•6mo ago
Its very sad that people are calling the genocide of the Palestinian people Israel has been engaged in for generations and which has never been limited to Gaza, “the Gaza Genocide”, and pretending it has a timetable that only reinforces the Israeli propaganda that what is actually being described is not a long-running genocide to which the Hamas Oct 7 attack was an (illegal and worthy of international sanction!) response, but instead a response to the Oct 7 attack.
runarberg•6mo ago
dragonwriter•6mo ago
NomDePlum•6mo ago
The existence of settlements in Palestinian land is not something the International community should have tolerated for days never mind decades.
There are lots of parties, including Hamas, that could have helped avoid where we are today. A shameful place for the whole world.
zhengiszen•6mo ago
Go back just a week earlier, and the mask starts to crack.
Go back seventy-five years, and it shatters completely.
nailer•6mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44755507