Also, I believe Flock cameras immediately notify local PD when a vehicle reported as stolen passes by. Thieves often use stolen vehicles to avoid being caught, so this functionality makes it much more risky for them to do so. It basically tips off the cops even before you get to the home you're planning to burgle.
It doesn't really fix the issue then, just moves it around.
Not criticizing your reply here. It seems like that's the exact logic around it.
Ultimately, it's about changing the cost/benefit and expected value calculations. Neighborhoods are not entirely fungible (especially a tony town like Atherton).
This sounds like a "first they came for the socialists..." moment. Where we might not feel oppressed with the increased surveillance but as we go further and further into the surveillance state, eventually we'll be the ones that are pushed into a bad situation where a surveillance state is used against us.
> We increasingly put people in bad situations and then blame them when they lash out.
They are not _justifying_ it, they are calling out a cause/effect relationship. When people are desperate, they do destructive things. And our society is doing things that increase the number of desperate people.
A lot of crime gets blamed on all kinds of causes, but with a cause so vague all kinds of counterfactuals can be listed out: poverty doesn't explain why countries with more surveillance and more poverty have less crime like home invasions (CCCP).
I am eager to learn more if you have some data/links on this
WRT home invasions, I'm sure the ubiquity of guns in the US is another relevant dimension.
People planning home invasions know how to avoid ALPR. They wear masks and gloves, and leave their cell phones at home.
You are giving up your privacy, to anyone with access to Flock, for nothing at all.
floren•6mo ago
thenewwazoo•6mo ago
dragonwriter•6mo ago
In a capitalist (and, with some qualifications, in a predominantly capitalist mixed economy) society, that is protecting capital and the capitalist class, but that’s a product of context.
marcosdumay•6mo ago
(And when the ruling class doesn't control the capital, you don't get a clear class division.)
Telemakhos•6mo ago
codemac•6mo ago
I am curious if merely by having a published policy, larger cities have less scrutiny in the actual use by federal law enforcement - though likely just as frequently accessed as any Atherton camera.
[0]: https://www.sf.gov/news--san-franciscos-new-public-safety-ca...
[1]: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2021-...
mingus88•6mo ago
Before ALPR was ubiquitous, in the 2000s, the Atherton Police Blotter in the local paper was a hoot. Half of the entries were residents calling about suspicious people that were hired landscapers or kids walking home from school.
Not at all surprised that they went overboard on Flock and opened the footage up for every agency under the sun.