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Helsinki goes a full year without a traffic death

https://yle.fi/a/74-20174831
37•pseudolus•8h ago

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mitchbob•7h ago
2 days ago (46 points, 16 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44736025
dredmorbius•7h ago
I'd argue that's below limits of significant discussion, particularly given the single top comment's derailment.
Nurbek-F•6h ago
Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...
k_g_b_•1h ago
https://www.tomtom.com/traffic-index/ranking/ 30 km/h is equal to 20 min/10km, 50 km/h is 12 min/10km.

So Helsinki city center is at 21km/h travel speeds, metro area at 31km/h. A speed limit of 30 km/h doesn't really affect these travel times much.

I can't find 2023 data to compare, however by other data on the net these are very common average speeds for any city in Europe even those with plenty of 50 km/h speed limits.

If more people take up public transport, bikes or scooters in fear of an average travel speed reduction of 1-2 km/h - that is a total win for everyone involved including drivers.

thomascountz•1h ago
A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.
Tiktaalik•5h ago
Don't let anyone tell you that better things aren't possible
zo1•3h ago
Kind of a moot thing to flex when they have a huge problem with "organized crime" and other issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerable_area_(Sweden)

leosanchez•3h ago
Helsinki is capital of Finland and you posted links about Sweden. Am I missing anything?
usr1106•3h ago
Correct. But if we are at comparing Finland and Sweden already: Finland has had one of the highest capital crime rates in Europe for ages. With Swedens increase in bombing and shootings in recent years they might have come close.

Finland has about twice the road accident rate per driven km as Sweden. Don't remember whether that was deadly accidents or any kind of accidents.

Deadly accidents in Helsinki are not that common. Remember it's only 600000 inhabitants and several tragic accidents happened in close cities this year. Zero for 12 months in certain part of the metropolitan area fits into statistical variation. Far too early to speak of a lasting development.

zo1•2h ago
100% my mistake. Guess my European geographic knowledge is lacking there, oops.
7bit•22m ago
Not only that. You were derailing the post by opposing the achievement with something completely different... Cringe bro
Boltgolt•2h ago
It's been quite a while since Finnish independence
7bit•23m ago
> Why are you proud for that A in your test, when your handwriting is still so ugly.

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