I'm a little confused. If the light isn't flashing, doesn't that mean that the school zone isn't in effect? I don't understand what about the law makes it possible to get cited when the light isn't flashing.
(emphasis mine)
"the county or municipality MUST NOTIFY the public that a speed detection system may be in use BY POSTING SIGNAGE
indicating photographic or video enforcement of the school zone speed limits. Such signage SHALL CLEARLY DESIGNATE
THE TIME PERIOD DURING WHICH THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS ARE ENFORCED using a speed detection system"
So it looks like the flashing light is a backup and enhancer and that the more important field is the current time of day.Under the assumption that the time range text is easily visible, not covered in trees, not tiny, able to be seen by a person driving at the regularly posted speed from a distance that they can safely and reasonably slow down, etc, then it doesn't seem terrible.
THAT SAID, they should absolutely *FIX* the blinking lights.
In part of the article, it is declared that the traffic cameras caught 500,000 violations this school year ("since fall") across Florida, which is ... concerningly high. That's several thousand per day. Across all Florida, but still. Only about 3000 people protested across that; and, assuming all protests were genuine, that's less than a 1% broken light rate, which means broken lights are probably pretty quickly fixed.
I hope the signage either already has prominent time ranges and/or will have prominent time ranges in the near future. My thoughts on this are certainly complicated.
WarOnPrivacy•1h ago
Hillsborough county officials have clearly lost their way.
bravesoul2•1h ago
t-writescode•1h ago
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t-writescode•1h ago
The surrounding context was a comment about how the flashing light WASN'T on and how the speed limit was, per the sign, only enforced when the flashing light is on.
So, "why would it be 40mph?" because it's a stroad - a main thoroughfare through a town that's like maybe 5 or more lanes wide (including both directions and the 'turning lane'.
There's value in asking the question why there's such a wild variance in speeds between "normal" speed and "school open/close" hours, and that's a useful question to ask and likely comes down to the car-centric politics that filled the United States for well over 50 years, and will take a very long time (and a lot of political clout) to fix.
Depending on the size of the town, that may also, literally, be "the only road" that makes sense for that school to be on, so you have conflicting interests of a major, high-speed arterial road as well as the safety of children during particular hours.
And to add *even more* to that, if you're going 40 and expect the speed limit to be 40 and everyone around you also expects the speed limit to be 40 (because that's the posted speed limit, and the sign isn't flashing), then you going 20 creates a 20mph differential between you and the rest of the traffic around you and now you're *going* to cause an accident.
hedora•1h ago
On the bright side, there's zero reason to slow cars down when kids aren't being actively picked up or dropped off.
(Not that there was a reason to slow the cars down during off hours in the past, since the law has always been "When children are present" in places I've lived, which is good enough.)
t-writescode•59m ago
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hedora•40m ago
It doesn't actually prevent school shootings. There were 330 in the US last year; 349 in 2023. They're also adding cameras, weapons detection systems and "resources to address students’ emotional and mental well-being"
https://www.k12dive.com/news/school-shootings-2024-near-reco...
russdill•43m ago
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frosted-flakes•58m ago
Should the broken flashing lights be fixed? Of course, and "school" times in regard to community safety zones should also be standardised state-wide.
What's the incentive for implementing misleading automated ticketing cameras if the revenue generated can only be used to do what the cameras already do? The purpose of the cameras is to improve safety. The money isn't going to Christmas bonuses so the police chief can buy a boat.
> “It’s violator-funded. If you don't want to pay $100, it is a very simple hack—don't speed in school zones and you won't get a citation.”
hermannj314•51m ago