Anyway they took us to look at the inmates in the halfway house who were behind bars and then they could come out to the bars and as their part of the whole scared straight exercise they would of course yell stuff at us, which was mainly about how they wanted to have sex with the approximately 16 year old girls on the trip.
Gosh, Utah sure is a morally upstanding place.
Just like the President of the United States and his good buddy pedophile sex offender and his groomer/pimp who he wishes well and just transferred to a luxury minimum security prison and is about to pardon. Maybe he should be locked up behind bars too, despite bragging to Howard Stern that he draws the line at 12-year-olds.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-told-howard-stern-2006-2239...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/teen-bea...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-well-wishes-g...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct...
> on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s
Especially considering the frequency of violence in American schools, can't really blame the school for jumping to conclusions.
Of course you can blame the school. They were too lazy to look at context and determine if the threat was real and credible. They took the determination of a complex tool as an unquestionable fact. The system supplies the fact that the user's account made the comment. All other facts need to be made by investigation. This statement provides a reasonable suspicion to investigate, but should not exhibit probable cause for an arrest as it requires a threat be credible, incite panick, etc per the specific terrorist threat law. This requires investigation and thought.
Do you think whoever is doing this at the school is a qualified professional, e.g. a child/teen psychiatrist that knows the kid in question well enough, to be able to determine if the threat was real and credible?
It's terroristic threats. That's the law most of the school shooting threats would get charged under. The real problem is that most states have automatic reporting laws, which means you have to report anything that sounds like a threat even if it isn't. This is the main difference between regular cases and school cases - you end up with a lot of junk being reported and potentially causing more harm than it was intended to prevent.
1. Schools running and monitoring their own communication platforms. This seems fine.
2. The US government monitoring private communication platforms like Snapchat and arresting kids on school grounds. This seems bad.
The way it’s written though mixes these together and makes it look like schools are monitoring the private communication of students. I think it’s fine for schools to monitor there own platforms but weird for the government to monitor all platforms haphazardly.
A student said, “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s,” on a schools private communication platform. The school should correct that behavior.
Unfortunately they involved law enforcement. Thats where I see the problem. A better solution would be detention and informing the parents.
When you were a kid gun laws were stricter.
Some states have fewer laws, others have more. At the federal level, there are more laws and rules than there were in the 60s or 70s (overall more than at any prior time).
And of course enforcement varies. I remember many people coming to school with guns in their cars during hunting season even though it's not legal.
Eh, terminal violence was potentially threatened. Calling the cops seems fine if no teacher or administrator can vouch for the kid. (Particularly if, as is true in this case, the law requires “any threat of mass violence against a school to be reported immediately to law enforcement.”)
To the extent someone fucked up, it’s the cops who allegedly caused the 13-year old to be “interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell.”
The article specifies this is a Tennessee law. The school is in Kansas.
Agreed that the cops screwed up, but the school is also responsible.
Welcome to global privacy trends in 2025.
Sounds like they could've reasoned that they face the least chance for liability if they pushed the responsibility to law enforcement.
This forced reporting necessarily creates false reports. Under the law, things like terrorist threats are required to be credible or incite panic. Reporting things that aren't credible is arguably a violation of law under any other context, yet they choose to ignore that with these mandatory reporting laws. Basically it creates a situation where nobody is allowed to use their brain - automated conveyer to the criminal system.
How long before they use AI to do that?
AI hype is at play here as well, not only in the breathless press releases from AI companies.
2. The US government monitoring private communication platforms like Snapchat and arresting kids on school grounds. This seems bad."
Public schools are government.
Not the sharpest bullets in the barrel...
Immediately and automatically engaging law enforcement, and even the FBI, is horrific. Kids have always had greatly restricted freedoms in schools, but transcending the classroom and monitoring their digital lives is just training them to accept the surveillance state.
Same thing with unfettered capitalism, the systems only work if we continue to support said systems. When the rules break down, so do the desires of the collective to maintain said systems.
If we can somehow win back trust in our collective ability to democratically solve problems... that should solve the problem.
I think that involves some creative solutions to collective decision making.
I think the problem is that people send kids to public schools and just hope for the best. Imagine you have a brand new child, and you send it to school, and the child ends up saying something offensive, is this the child's fault? I think not. The child was trained on harmful data, it's not surprised the child exhibited undesirable behaviours.
Your comment reduces children to entities that will behave as expected provided they get fed “good” data.
Humans are not LLMs.
There are plenty of studies on formative environments, especially on how negative environments can lead to negative behaviors.
So, the principal, one Roman Peredun calls me up and says that my son used a bad word. I asked him what word. He wouldn't say it. So I asked how am I supposed to know how 'bad' my son is if you can't even repeat the word. He then spelled the word. I said, oh, 'fuck'. Yes, that's not in dutch however so he must have picked it up in your school. Peredun hung up and I sent my kid back to school the next day.
From the perspective of those pushing this kind of technology and political movement, is that a bug or a feature?
We already see it with the modern surveillance state, post 9-11 the US citizenry has lost so many freedoms and if you ask random people on the street about it they would be perplexed. Hell, even my friends give me a bit of the "ahh so this is your conspiracy theory" look when I mention them. Growing up through 9-11 and the forever war was pretty dystopian, or at least a March into the dystopia's that I only read about in books.
Here we have a bad joke. The system flags it. The school sends it to the police. The police detain and interrogate the kid. Everyone is treating the determination of a complex automated system as their own determination. We also have every actor treating this as a credible threat. For this to be credible, you have to have the means to accomplish it. They gave a timeline. You know you have time to investigate before making an arrest. Problem is, nobody cares.
Oh, really? Do they have data that shows a significant reduction in violence since surveillance started, or is this just reframing false positives (that can result in arrest, eight weeks of house arrest, a psychological evaluation and 20 days at an alternative school) as a net benefit. My money is on the latter.
The victims will still be victims, they’ll just be punished by the system even harder for being a victim.
>>> A court ordered eight weeks of house arrest, a psychological evaluation and 20 days at an alternative school for the girl.
If one assumes that the court did take into consideration context and age, it appears to largely validate the follow up decision once flagged. (I don't agree with lack of parental contact, to be clear.)
If the police were willing to make an example out of someone, the judge they work with is likely to do that as well.
> When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”
> Taken to jail, the teen was interrogated and strip-searched, and her parents weren’t allowed to talk to her until the next day,
> She didn’t know why her parents weren’t there.
> A court ordered eight weeks of house arrest, a psychological evaluation and 20 days at an alternative school for the girl.
Wow, 2025 is wild. Police and court should have psychological evaluation instead and maybe some time off without pay to cool off. Protecting children, no matter how many of them they have to traumatize and incarcerate.
As well as worrying about how to prevent kids from getting their privacy and freedom of speech violated, maybe we could put some more effort into preventing them from getting shot up in schools so often. Or at LEAST as much effort as we used to with assault weapon bans, which worked.
Until then, thoughts and prayers for their lost privacy and freedom of speech, too.
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The kids used a school communication program to say something racist. Schools should monitor school communication platforms.
The only thing I disagree with is the level of punishment (sending a kid to jail for a night).
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To retaliate, the next day administrators had metal detector wands waiting for us right off the busses, took every single cellphone they found and locked them up at the school board office for the rest of the year.
That school was absolute hell, a battleground between students and teachers. I am not exaggerating at all when I say that being spotted outside your classroom was an immediate expulsion, with not even enough time between classes to pee or use your locker (two minutes, we had to run). As part of the escalation, the fire alarm began being pulled at least twice a day. Any student who had even a moment alone with one would pull it immediately. Absolute chaos and a direct result of power collapse due to a racist, authoritarian school board that only knew how to wield institutional violence.
For this reason, my kid will always have a phone in order to protect themselves from administrative abuse. I will fight for that tooth and nail. I had over 40 write-ups in just elementary school for refusing entertain abuse from authoritarian staff, and I'll be a failure if my kid doesn't walk the same path.