> John Robison ... saw [the Masons] as a libertine, anti-Christian movement, given to the corruption of women, the cultivation of sensual pleasures, and the violation of property rights...
That is a pretty accurate description of where Europe ended up in the 1900s to today, so it seems a unreasonable to dismiss the man out of hand. 100 years for a big social project isn't that long a time given how slowly the world moved back then. It is reasonable to say that the Masons might have been a benign organisation - but they also might not have been. There is no contest that groups in Europe were trying and succeeding to push in that direction. The communists had their big breakout in the 1900s but the personality type always has and will exist and the intellectual groundwork was being laid at least as early as the 1850s.
There is this weird social dynamic where people dismiss the idea that radical change is possible in foresight then shrug it off and basically don't care in hindsight. It results in remarkably small groups being able to achieve some incredible things, but it is a bit frustrating an attitude to argue with.
>That is a pretty accurate description of where Europe ended up in the 1900s to today
Yes, women in Europe are very corrupted. Amazing insight there.
> Yes, women in Europe are very corrupted. Amazing insight there.
Not much of an insight, it's generally accepted. By the standards of conservative Europe in 1800AD they're probably more than corrupted, society seems to have gone through the most extreme cases for how they imagined change might evolve. It isn't a very accurately chosen word but if you dig in to what he would have meant the boxes got ticked. The stats I've seen suggest European women are mostly godless, probably don't respect men all that much and on average are not having enough children to sustain the population. These days we'd probably call all that a win, but he wasn't wrong that people were working to bring such a world around.
i am also wondering if your ideology passes the filters it's alleged founder established, but then i suspect you actually dont go for the love thy neighbor part and prefer the stoning to death part.
nowhere does Jesus suggest that half the human race need be subject to the ones with penises.
Godless is either all of us or none, as subjective belief means nothing to any real God.
Your savvy determination of The European continents female members being godless based upon your shoddy interpretation of birthrate data gives no credit to economic circumstances, which usually affects birth rates, much as food supplies affect birthrates, but don't let reality interfere with your ideological project...
Ah yes, the freedom of choice, such an anti-American value.
I am disturbed by the amount of fantastical thinking I see around me by people who watch some youtube or tiktok grifter with ai voiceover and seem to be blissfully ignorant that they're being manipulated by some vested interest.
People believe what they want to believe and have always been easy to influence, but the scale at which it is happening today... God help us.
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