Any thoughts on that?
Sources:
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/TR/Transcripts/2018_00...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar_traffic_enforcement
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/lidar-sp...
To be clear, the reason for this is because the width of the beam requires aiming it like a sniper rifle, not because we can't compensate for operator motion.
For example an officer following or pursuing an offender can apply a 'negligent' or 'wreckless' driving charge based in context of the officer's observations and evidence gathered, such as following or pursuing an offender well above the speed limit, observing the calibrated speedometer in the patrol car, without the use of a speed measuring device.
It's been a while since I've looked at it though some Australian police forces have a calibrated speedometer installed on the dash that reads out the vehicle's speed based from the rear differential[1], separately to the vehicle's 'stock' speedometer. The reasoning, I understand, is that this is more precise, as legally the stock speedometer can display a speed up to 10 km/h lower than actual (but not above).
[1] https://www.drive.com.au/news/inside-a-highway-patrol-car-th...
The list goes on and on and on. No, they will not just be replaced by whatever is producing loose AI facsimiles of the real world in a smartphone.
Yes with modern cameras and computers I would think it should be pretty doable.
Radar detector users just learn to ignore the X and K band alerts while simultanously learning a subconscious quarter second brake reaction time based on the Ka band noise.
And yeah, a K band zap in the middle of nowhere usually means there's a Honda nearby.
Radar detectors on the windshield look dumb, clutter the windshield, and encourage ticket-writing by offending some cops with fragile egos. Remote detectors or go home.
I don’t blame people for speeding when we care so little as to actually monitor and enforce. Especially when it’s easy to automate.
If there’s a stationary object on the road, your speed differential is always equal to your speed.
In many circumstances that cause deadly accidents, speed differential vs speed is just pedantry.
Predictably, the system is being (ab)used for all kinds of monitoring and tracking on top of speed enforcement. And in a certain sense, all those irresponsibly fast drivers with radar detectors are partially responsible for the further erosion of privacy on the road.
2. "Slower is better." is a stupid half argument. Speed limits are a tradeoff between the benefits of going fast and the benefits of going slow. If it wasn't a tradeoff then the speed limit would be walking speed everywhere on every road.
2. There are very few benefits to cars going faster. If you want speed, trains are much more efficient at high speed. Fast cars are wasteful and dangerous.
Cars being limited to walking speeds in cities would be great. But failing that, I'm happy with the local groundrule: 30km/h if there's no bike path, 50km/h if there's a raised bike path, and 70km/h if there's a bike path that's separated from the road by at least 1 metre.
Are all these cameras in cities? Are there any on separated highways?
An upper limit is not the desired and accepted speed everybody needs to aim for.
I agree entirely. But while you seem to be thinking about the situation where the speed limit is higher than the natural safe speed range people would intuit without a sign, often it's significantly lower. That's a bad way to design roads and speed limits. In pedestrian areas restrict the roads more, and in non-pedestrian areas let people go a good pace on straight dry roads.
> Nobody is milked. The rules are simple and trivial to follow. Those that are fined are really asking for it.
How much over is your threshold for "really" asking for it? If it includes people going 2-3 over then I very much disagree.
Bank robbers wear ski masks for similar privacy concerns.
It just means that they've not gone at a speed sufficiently egregious for a detective to be handed the packet to work out the vehicle's true identity.
You can also leave your cell phone at home. Disable anything broadcasting from your vehicle, like bluetooth, wifi, and onboard cell connectivity for telematics. Remove the RFID chips on your car rims (assuming you have a recent model vehicle). Remove TPM sensors from your wheels (A lot of them have part of your vehicle VIN in the packets). Tint your car windows... and remove anything that is unique, like stickers off your vehicle. Partially are completely block your license plate from being read by ALPR's.
Do all of those and you're not as trackable as you are not doing them today.
The tunnel is a toll road that’s photo enforced. Should be an easy ticket in the mail if your enter and exit time are way too close or something.
(I’m guessing it might be the age old “can’t prove it was you driving” defense?)
They don't have to if it is a civil infraction. As I understand it, in many jurisdictions a camera ticket is a fine but no points. They just say "the owner of the car is responsible for who they allow to drive it" same as insurance liability.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-pu...
Seattle is very vocal in one direction while often voting in the other. The idea of cameras for catching speeding/etc is not a new concept here and is seemingly one the public is letting police do more of.
I haven't had a speeding ticket since 2018, before I had my tools. Just this week I was averaging 120 mph across Utah, turned my 11 hour trip into 8 hours.
steve_gh•5mo ago
gwbas1c•5mo ago
That being said, "speed culture" varies a lot from state to state. Where I live it's assumed and expected that you will speed, and in other areas you can get a ticket for going 1 over.
The legal and cultural ambiguity means that someone who is unsure of the real, enforced, culturally-accepted speed limit may want to use a radar detector.
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devilbunny•5mo ago
I don't speed in Europe because 130 km/h is a perfectly fine limit; I've driven faster on uncontrolled Autobahn segments, but I'm not bothered when there is a limit. 65 mph on the NJ Turnpike (and only on the southern part) is not.
yugioh3•5mo ago
a crash at 80+ is so much worse than one at 65. and American highways are not the Autobahn. different design and engineering.
rafram•5mo ago
dangus•5mo ago
Being straighter is actually bad for safety (highway hypnosis).
You’ll find long stretches of interstates with no guard rails as well as state highways with direct intersections with rural roads.
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dangus•5mo ago
No cop is going to ticket you for going 70-75 on the turnpike.
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devilbunny•5mo ago
Unless it's the end of the month and they have to meet quota and blah blah blah... Australia seems to get away with ruthlessly enforcing ridiculously low speed limits. The correct speed limit, by your own comment, seems to be 75 (120 km/h) at least.
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amanaplanacanal•5mo ago
From a safety point of view the proper way to do it is to decide up front what speed limit you want on that road, and then design it so that drivers feel unsafe going over that speed. If you have to have a sign telling drivers to slow down, you designed the road wrong.
toast0•5mo ago
I 100% agree on build the road to result in the behavior you want. Speed limit signs have some effect, but narrow lanes are much more effective.
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dangus•5mo ago
In the other places, it’s very simple to sit in the right lane and you won’t be going wildly slower than the rest of traffic. There are always trucks and governed vehicles on the road that are going the speed limit that you can swim through the stream with.
I used to be in the camp of defending the legality of radar detectors, and really I don’t think they need to be legal, but at the same time the only people buying them are dangerous assholes who treat public roads like their personal race track.
It takes at least one ticket to pay off the investment which means radar detector owners intend to be repeat offenders.
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