At least from the Vice article, not read the cited paper.
a rat race promoted by rich sociopaths, specifically designed to have the underclasses ripping each other apart while they live lavish lives that don’t even amount to longer lives.
That could also describe Socialized healthcare except the money is spread on more people working useless jobs and having more normal life a lot of you probably don’t want to admit, purely for ideological reasons: socialized healthcare.
A yes of course, there are no rational arguments against communism, it’s not like we have austrian economics, classic liberal philosophy, game theory, public choice, experience from the past and basic common sense.The US (and the rest of the world) is run increasingly on oligarchic rather than free market lines anyway, so that is the real comparison.
There's a gaping conceptual chasm between "publicly funded" and "communist".
F*ing lies.
There is no indication of the researchers explicitly connecting socialised healthcare. They didn't collect data to draw such a conclusion. They collected income+location(+other bits) vs life expectancy, but not healthcare type vs life expectancy.
And in reality, I believe Europeans also walk notably more than US-Americans, which might equally well have an impact. And a whole bunch of other things. There might be studies on it. This is not one of them.
They have health insurance managed by government, not for profit industry.
Nothing to do with communism, as some of the hacker bros are venting. That's just propaganda to keep people slaving at shitty jobs for less pay and lousy benefits.
The basically seem to have taken a group of rich Americans and poor Europeans and looked at what percentage died in a given period but didn't take into account how old they were.
Which is an odd way to study things.
koliber•5mo ago
The 10,000 foot summary I had was: Americans are starting to die earlier, but the age expectancy of the wealthiest Americans is longer than of people in most countries.
This article says that even the American top 1% die earlier than people in other countries. However, the lack of numbers makes me question this.
Also, the cited reason is socialized healthcare. In the US, the top 1% has access to healthcare through their employers of being able to pay on their own, so it is surprising that this would be a major factor.
I think this article is lacking the details that would make me take the claims seriously.
jacquesm•5mo ago
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tomjakubowski•5mo ago
What do you mean, Europeans don't eat jambon-beurre?
Wikipedia:
> More than three million jambon-beurre sandwiches are sold in France each day, more than any other kind of sandwich, except for hamburgers.
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jacquesm•5mo ago
maverwa•5mo ago
But that should probably bias the number in the opposite direction, if at all. The 1% should have had better chances to survive covid.
lava_pidgeon•5mo ago
Also the health system in America is fucked. This isn't a question of socialised vs privatised system as all health systems in Europe have a mix of both. (England is a big outlier here).
graemep•5mo ago
Not enough to have a significant effect on life expectancy.
> This isn't a question of socialised vs privatised system as all health systems in Europe have a mix of both. (England is a big outlier here).
You mean the UK, not England, and there is a lot of private medicine here, and the NHS outsources a lot to the private sector (including almost all GP services).
It is different in terms of funding and organisation from other developed countries.
SideburnsOfDoom•5mo ago
In what way is the UK an outlier?
Are you saying that there's no privatised healthcare in the UK?
If so, what would you call:
BUPA https://www.bupa.co.uk/
Vitality https://www.vitality.co.uk/
guappa•5mo ago
tetris11•5mo ago
i.e. Easy and unending access to drugs, and or party related diseases?
attemptone•5mo ago
Besides what is a party related disease? Something like an STD, or more akin to a manic episode
Cancer, stroke, dementia; death doesn't care about your numbers, it cares about you
tetris11•5mo ago
attemptone•5mo ago
It feels like we forgot about the opiod epidemic, meth, crack..
Anyhow, I think this derailed enough. I just wanted to point out the weird protestant views of op.
SideburnsOfDoom•5mo ago
This is not an option for ordinary people.
decafninja•5mo ago
And by “pay for it”, I don’t mean the typical employer provided insurance and visiting the usual doctors.
I mean high end concierge care that starts at five figures minimum to buy in annually before any other expenses.
A PC doctor is just a phone call away, and they’ll use theirs and their organization’s connections and resources to get you whatever additional care you need quickly and effectively.