Testimony to House committee by former Facebook executive Tim Kendall (house.gov)
266 points by aaronbrethorst on Sept 24, 2020 | 197 comments
It just looks like a video website to me. Is this your first time on a computer? When HAVENT websites tried to catch your attention? This stinks to me like a 50+ person who first discovered the internet in the last 10 years.
The 50ish person was 20 when the web started happening.
People look at websites/apps/etc that are engineered for maximum "engagement" through dark patterns and they don't think it looks like something nefariously designed to catch and milk your attention, so it must be just fine, right?
And part of this is because they're so used to the dopamine-drip-inducing style that they think that sort of thing is just "normal;" part of it is because many websites, and before them newspapers, magazines, and TV shows/ads, do try to catch your attention, just in less ruthlessly-optimized ways, and part of it is because that ruthless optimization doesn't actually have to look like anything particular. It's not always Candy Crush Saga with obvious sparkly rewards and microtransactions.
And so the...whatever the Internet design equivalent of the Overton window is, drifts ever farther toward that end of things.
I noticed you had to add "nefariously" in there. You think its nefarious. You also act like its a mind control ray beam when its not.
- Videos are not a new form of media, even short form videos. They existed before people started calling it "social media"
- People have been "engineering for maxmimum engagement" long before people started calling videos "social media". Books, print media, paintings, sculptures, hell even religions all do this.
- they said the same about.... books, TV and video games - yet I bet the person reading this engages in all 3. And to top it off, theyre on social media right now in order to read this message. So decrying social media whilst happily using social media
And none of it refutes what I said.
It's perfectly possible to take a bunch of old things, use them in a new way, and make something new out of them that's more than the sum of its parts.
if you want to ignore the points im making sure.
>It's perfectly possible to take a bunch of old things, use them in a new way, and make something new out of them that's more than the sum of its parts.
not the case here though is it
It's all exactly the same as print ads in a magazine that are selected because they're reasonably likely to be something the people who read that magazine would be interested in?
Because if that's your contention, then frankly, I'd say it doesn't make a lick of sense.
Would be nice to start flagging these articles so we don't lose time on slop.
It's a very similar pattern to other engineered addictive substances (introduction/harm/recognition/regulation.)
Tobacco has been around forever in the Americas. Were Native Americans sprawled out on the forest floor, unable to function because of tobacco? Of course not. The mild high and self-limiting supply of tobacco was no problem in their environment.
Then came the industrialization of tobacco. Cigarettes came in convenient dosages, and were cheap and ubiquitous. You could get cigarettes anywhere, and you could smoke them almost anywhere. They were given out for free to soldiers. Movies made smoking look glamorous. And smoking does help keep you slim.
But then people started living longer, and the health problems of tobacco addiction (even to people just in proximity to tobacco smoke) became clear. So we no longer let tobacco companies advertise to children, and attractive actors (mostly) no longer smoke in movies. We tax the hell out of tobacco, and restrict smoking areas more and more. We also forced the tobacco companies to clearly label their product, and there are widespread education campaigns.
Eventually tobacco use dropped. But it wasn't primarily because the addicts all suddenly found self-discipline.
The social media companies, just like tobacco, will never see the problem until they are forced. And I am afraid, given the sums of money involved, we will end up with the equivalent of social-media "vaping" (that has to go through the full cycle of introduction/harm/recognition/regulation again...)
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