tzedek tzedek tirdof (justice, justice shall you pursue) "
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
Historically, don’t most moral codes only apply to the in group?
nielsbot•5mo ago
Hopefully we've evolved.
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
It makes complete sense that people feel that way. European and Euro derived cultures are universalist from Christianity. But universalism isn’t the norm for moral systems throughout history. We only feel like universalism is best because it permeates the morality we grew up with.
stephen_g•5mo ago
Not the Torah - e.g. “[18] He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. [19] Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.” Deuteronomy 10:18-19 (ESV)
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
And the New Testament says all kinds of things Christians don’t follow in practice as well.
Cordiali•5mo ago
Regarding the second one, variations of that, to help or protect strangers/travellers, seems to have been relatively common across a variety of historical cultures.
Tangentially, it also reminds me of a woman's grave that was found in Denmark I think. I can't remember how old the grave was, but something like 3-4000 years. They were able to use isotope analysis of her teeth, hair, stomach contents, etc. to trace her movements.
She was from the area, but in the last year of her life, she'd travelled down to around Switzerland and back. There was a documentary about it, I'll see if I can find it...
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
Tangential, but I am always skeptical of these sorts of reconstructed stories when they rely on purely academic methods such as ancient stomach contents analysis and inferred historical geographic flora. Like, if that’s wrong somehow, how would you know, exactly? Both of those examples are fundamentally non-verifiable.
Cordiali•5mo ago
You can check if there's agreement between different techniques. Tooth enamel would be a pretty trustworthy source of information, for example. It just depends on what level of confidence you want in the results.
I'm personally comfortable with a "probable" or "it's likely that" in my history docos. I'm a lot less comfortable with that standard when it comes to planes, trains, and automobiles.
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
That makes sense to me and I’m comfortable with redundant agreeing evidence as well (assuming we don’t ignore any contradictory evidence), but my impression is that these fields do not consistently have such a standard. Maybe my impression is wrong? To me it seems like you need to crawl through the dependency chain and verify that reasonable standards were used all the way up. Does the peer review process in these fields actually enforce this? It seems like no, but I am just a spectator.
Cordiali•5mo ago
Well... I'm not sure which bog body it was, there were a few!
It might've been the 'Haraldskær Woman', I found an article [1] about her which roughly matches my recollections, and is from around the same time I would've seen the documentary. Although she might've only travelled as far as central Germany.
there are in most primitive moral codes requirements to welcome strangers and give them hospitality, this is a chance to make an out member come in of course, but there are the truly out - enemies that you are not required to treat nicely.
nivertech•5mo ago
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Gibbon1•5mo ago
I'm not sure what to say about people that encourage other people to keep starting wars they can't win instead of cutting a deal. While being at no personal risk themselves.
lifestyleguru•5mo ago
When people start quoting their "holy book" you know shit is going to turn insane.
KnuthIsGod•5mo ago
tzedek tzedek tirdof (justice, justice shall you pursue) "
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
nielsbot•5mo ago
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
stephen_g•5mo ago
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
Cordiali•5mo ago
Tangentially, it also reminds me of a woman's grave that was found in Denmark I think. I can't remember how old the grave was, but something like 3-4000 years. They were able to use isotope analysis of her teeth, hair, stomach contents, etc. to trace her movements.
She was from the area, but in the last year of her life, she'd travelled down to around Switzerland and back. There was a documentary about it, I'll see if I can find it...
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
Cordiali•5mo ago
I'm personally comfortable with a "probable" or "it's likely that" in my history docos. I'm a lot less comfortable with that standard when it comes to planes, trains, and automobiles.
pfannkuchen•5mo ago
Cordiali•5mo ago
It might've been the 'Haraldskær Woman', I found an article [1] about her which roughly matches my recollections, and is from around the same time I would've seen the documentary. Although she might've only travelled as far as central Germany.
[1]: https://journals.openedition.org/archeosciences/4407
bryanrasmussen•5mo ago
nivertech•5mo ago
Gibbon1•5mo ago