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Ask HN: For those without a Google account, why and how do you manage online?

5•HarshitDoshi•5mo ago
If you don't have a Google account, what are your reasons? How do you handle essential tasks like email, cloud storage, and app usage? What challenges have you faced and how do you overcome them?

Comments

prmoustache•5mo ago
Email is no big deal, I used to have email with my own domain accounts, now that I changed registrar I decided 2 years ago to separate duty and I am using migadu of which I am satisfied.

I am installing mobile apps with accrescent, f-droid and aurora on grapheneos. There is a handful of apps I have never been able to install, because they are regionally limited and you have no control on regional accounts that aurora accounts use. I just live without them, no big deal. The service is usually provided by a web page anyway.

I am using an external cloud storage with wasabi as secondary backup site, I don't need any other cloud storage.

HarshitDoshi•5mo ago
How about apps which only have the option of signing in with Google or some other social / 3rd party provider? Do you also not use other services like Microsoft's, Apple's, Facebook (Meta)'s? How do you in that case sign in?
__d•5mo ago
Most service providers support “sign in with email”. I’ve yet to find a service where no provider has this option.
prmoustache•5mo ago
I don't know of any. Examples?
chistev•5mo ago
Sounds complications
prmoustache•5mo ago
over what?

Gmail is not easier than any other mail provider. Quite the contrary as traditionnal email providers are usually more user friendly.

A store is a store. In my experience aurora is not more complicated than the google playstore.

As for storage I don't think google drive is less complicated thant the competition. I don't need cloud storage anyway except from secondary backup site which would be stupid to use throguh google anyway even if I was using an account.

chistev•5mo ago
You don't need cloud storage? Where do you store your media?
calgoo•5mo ago
Not OP, but I have a small Nas at home, and a small raspberry with owncloud with the drives mapped. I run it all behind tailscale so all my devices have access to everything from anywhere. Backups are being migrated but I have my home pc as a backup while switching providers.
prmoustache•5mo ago
NAS at home, with a an old desktop machine working as local backup server. I have a cloud storage as secondary backup as mentionned earlier. Google drive/one would not be fit for that anyway as it is super expensive for very small amount of storage.
dotcoma•5mo ago
Tuta for email, Mega, Filen, Internxt or iCloud for storage, and I would rather go back to a 1990s Nokia than use Android.
dlcarrier•5mo ago
I do technically have a Google account, although all I use on it is Google Voice and Gmail, both of which I only access through IMAP, so they would be interchangeable with any service.

I have a ten-year-old phone running Android 6 and use a seven-year-old version of K-9 Mail. I didn't expressly stop upgrading, but every time new hardware or software comes out, I compare features before upgrading. With a desktop computer running Linux or BSD, the hardware doesn't get worse, and the software rarely does, but it's easy to avoid the worse software, because it won't be the only option. With phones, both the hardware and software seems to have peeked in 2014, with newer versions being worse far more often than they are better. I've had to replace the battery in my phone a couple of times, and I've added more storage, but those updates only took a few seconds. My Note 4 has more features and a better screen than pretty much everything that came after, and with an unlocked bootloader, I could keep updating the kernel long after T-Mobile stopped releasing updates. (Although, the last update was more than six years after release.) Eventually the Kernel was too old to update, but by that point I was well into security-through-obscurity, by running a combination of Kernel and user space so obscure that nothing automated could gain access, even through known vulnerabilities.

I stopped updating K-9 mail when Google started interfering with notifications, to coerce developers into their Firebase hosted service. The old version, on an old version of Android, has 100% reliable notifications that are generated locally, when IMAP receives a push message. Also, I don't need to have my phone logged into a Google account, to receive IMAP messages, so I don't. This also means that there aren't any tokens saved on my phone that could compromise my gmail account, and I don't need to password protect my entire phone, just the email application. I also save my photos unencrypted to the microSD card, so if anything happens to the phone, they are easy to recover.

I only use Gmail, because I've had the address for over 20 years. I use Google Voice, so that I can read and send SMS messages from a computer, and can keep the same address even when switching phone lines. There's other providers that offer the same service for a few dollars a month, which I wouldn't mind paying, but every one I have looked into has requested I upload a copy of a photo ID, which is clearly a bad idea.

There are a few commercial applications that I run, and they work just fine on my phone. The only thing that I can't use natively any more is eBay, because it recently started requiring a Google account to use it, so now I just use the web page, which works equally well.

I never really used native banking applications on my phone, because banks tend to do very insecure things, like store highly-trusted tokens on the phone that are protected with low-security measures, like PINs or biometrics. Instead I use the web interface, which requires a password every time it is accessed.

When my phone was new, I used Google Pay instead of a physical credit card, for several months, but it was slow and hit and miss whether it would work, and I brought cash as a backup, which I quickly realized was even faster than the debit card I had been using before, and I wasn't at risk of credential leaks that would require I get a new card number, so after the whole experience, instead of switching from credit cards to NFC transactions, I ended up switching to cash, and as an added bonus gas is much cheaper, and several retailers I shop from often charge an extra 3% for card transactions, which I don't have to pay.

I've always carried portable electronic devices with me since the late 90's, from graphing calculators to PDAs and even a PSP, before I started carrying a smart phone. All of the most useful stuff then and now, like K-9 email client, Simon Tatham's puzzle collection, an HP-50g emulator, a 3rd-party YOuTube client, and random stuff from an audio spectrum analyzer to a WiFi spectrum analyzer are all open source, and on my phone I get them from the F-Droid market or download them directly from the developers web page or version control host. The only proprietary software I run often is Libby, a tool written by Rakutan that I use to access audiobooks from my local library, and it's just a wrapper over a web interface, so it works fine on Android 6.

Honestly, the difficulties from not following the tech industry playbook isn't specific to a phone. The biggest challenges I've faced were Reddit blocking thitd-party clients, at which point I stopped using Reddit, and now Cloudflare's capthca system is so agressive that I can't get past it without using a Chromium based web browser, which I refuse to do, so I stopped visiting several sites because of that.

rgreekguy•5mo ago
What in tarnation are you doing online that you cannot work without Google? This is a super Gen Z post.
LargoLasskhyfv•5mo ago
Cloud storage isn't essential.

Apps can be (side)loaded from elsewhere, IF one is using that appcrap on mobile at all.

Google didn't invent (Web)mail.

reify•5mo ago
I am 69 years old and never had a google account of any type.

what on earth do you need google for?

No challenges at all.

There are better alternatives to google or any of the other big surveillance USA companies.

I sign in to all my accounts, Bank, pay my bills, Utility Companies, Government, Lemmy, mastodon, Nextcloud, Kdrive, everything, with protonmail or tuta mail.

I dont use amazon, I only use independent shops, so I sign in to their websites. I dont need google.

I dont do any social media. like Boatrace-crook, X, reddit, and the like, either.

My phone is Lineage so I only use F-droid, Droid-ify and neostore for apps.

gaws•5mo ago
> I only use independent shops

Which shops?