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What happens when ambassadors are summoned by the host country?

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/93401/what-happens-when-ambassadors-are-summoned-by-the-foreign-ministry-of-their-host
90•azeemba•2h ago

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whynotminot•2h ago
I always enjoy reading about the theater of international diplomacy. In many ways — humorous and depressing — it’s not that different than the school yard.
rossant•1h ago
Zelensky in the oval office last February certainly reminded me the school yard.
wredcoll•54m ago
Was that the one where the reporters weren't allowed to criticize trump so they talked about zelensky's clothes instead.
myvoiceismypass•40m ago
I believe the vice president did not think Zelensky gave enough thank-yous too at this meeting.
chasil•2h ago
"(The U.S. ambassador to Switzerland virtually never gets summoned.)"

After the new 50% tariffs, I doubt this remains true.

Scoundreller•1h ago
If they do, we’ll know that Americans have lost interest in Swiss banking.
satellite2•1h ago
Or that Washington has lost interest in diplomacy
aspenmayer•1h ago
Sabers rattlers saber rattle.
mrangle•1h ago
Swiss banking hasn't been legally feasible for Americans since the GWB era, famously and if memory serves. I'm pretty sure that it isn't offered to Americans.
pbiggar•1h ago
Interesting the story that led to this question. France has said that it will recognize Palestine, and so the US ambassador wrote a letter falsely accusing the French of antisemitism for recognizing Palestine.
Simon_O_Rourke•1m ago
It's absurdist whataboutery from Kushner, and no doubt the Israeli foreign ministry pulling the strings.

One does not equate to the other.

What it does do however is undermine current Israeli domestic policy, which can be neatly summed up as keeping their PM out of prison by focusing on the external enemy.

yrcyrc•1h ago
Virtue signalling, hand wrangling and mostly jostling in international affairs. Nothing of consequence. Just daily business
A_Duck•1h ago
Jaw, jaw is better than war, war

This theatre is the way countries can negotiate and communicate peacefully

marcosdumay•1h ago
Earlier this year, the US recalled their ambassador in Brazil and asked permission for the local government to nearly double the embassy's building size on the same week. (And kept both actions on the long term.)

Try to understand that.

kergonath•1h ago
To be fair, the reason of a lot of actions by American diplomats these days seems to be "because we can".
Animats•53m ago
No, the US didn't recall its ambassador to Brazil. The acting US ambassador there was summoned to the foreign ministry of Brazil. The US has some disagreements with Brazil (or, rather, Trump does, because they're putting a former national leader on trial). Here's a view from Rio.[1]

Recalling an ambassador to their home country (the traditional phrase is "recalled for consultations with their government") in modern times usually means they're being replaced.

[1] https://www.riotimesonline.com/lulas-brazil-at-a-crossroads-...

averageRoyalty•16m ago
> The US has some disagreements with Brazil (or, rather, Trump does, because they're putting a former national leader on trial).

That seems an odd clarification. Do you not believe a democratically elected leader represents a country? Every country has people who disagree with their leaders views, however this clarification on every statement would get tiring quickly.

shermantanktop•8m ago
Not all leaders do that equally, wouldn’t you agree? Some leaders stay close to the views of the average voter, whereas others are clearly driven by personal motivations. I don’t think it’s controversial to note that Trump is an extreme of the latter case.
tracker1•4m ago
It's kind of a common state in US politics today... especially so with those on the political left when a Republican President is in office. That said, it's far amplified in recent years, but I recall similar sentiments as far back as when Reagan was President, and wouldn't be surprised with similar remarks before.

I've also heard some similar remarks towards Obama and Biden from the right, but not nearly as much as the left with Trump. The US political sphere is increasingly divided and the Overton window is fractured as well.

MichaelZuo•1h ago
Even the term itself is pretty misleading, as the answer notes, the vast majority of purported ‘summons’ are not actually made with the threat in writing that they will be punished if they don’t show up.

Those real summons are very rare.

Animats•1h ago
It is a formal statement by one country that they don't like what another country is doing.

It can be serious. Worst case, an ambassador is summoned to receive a declaration of war. That's happened many times in the past, especially when travel delays meant wars took a long time to start. That's rare today.

This time, it's not that serious. Here's the statement by the foreign ministry of France: [1]

France learned of the allegations of the US Ambassador, Mr. Charles Kushner, who, in a letter to the President of the Republic, expressed his concern about the rise in anti-Semitism in France and reported an alleged lack of sufficient action by the French authorities to confront it.

France firmly refutes these allegations. The rise in anti-Semitic acts in France since 7 October 2023 is a reality that we deplore and to which the French authorities are fully committed to combating, as such acts are intolerable.

The Ambassador’s allegations are unacceptable. They contravene international law, in particular the duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of States as provided for in the 1961 Vienna Convention that governs diplomatic relations. Furthermore, they fall short of the quality of the transatlantic relationship between France and the United States and the trust that should result between allies.

Ambassador Kushner will be summoned to the Quai d’Orsay on Monday, 25 August.

Charles Kushner (Jared Kushner's dad, Jared Kushner being Trump's son in law, married to Ivanka Trump) and the US embassy sent their chargé d'affaires (a temporary ambassador while the real one is unavailable) instead. That can be read in several ways. Although it's a mild diplomatic insult to send a substitute, the effect is to calm the situation a bit. It helps that the substitute is a professional diplomat, not a political appointee. Le Figaro says the meeting went reasonably well, but that's what's traditionally said unless a declaration of war results.

This should go away as an issue unless Trump starts screaming about it on social media.

[1] https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/united-state...

[2] https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/convocation-de-l-ambas...

myvoiceismypass•35m ago
Forgot it was Kushner - what an evil, shit man! Tax evasion, illegal campaign donations and the cherry on top - tampering with a witness.

Said witness was his brother-in-law! Kushner hired a prosttitue to entrap him, filmed it and then showed his sister, how gross!

Beretta_Vexee•1h ago
There is an element of theatre involved, but it is also a way of sending a very clear signal that the France is not satisfied with the ambassador's behaviour.

When everything is going well, meetings between the Foreign Office and ambassadors remain private.The fact that the ambassador did not attend the meeting himself but sent a subordinate is a public affront.

What is strange is that the US ambassador's communication is not really intended for the French or French jews, but is merely a sign of support for Israel.

There is currently an Israeli media offensive in France followin President Macron's comments on the recognition of a Palestinian state. The Israeli state and its supporters are buying advertising spots on YouTube and Instagram to encourage French Jews to do their ahria with free money.

There are regular attempts to exploit anti-Semitic crimes or news stories to claim that France is hell on earth for Jews and that Israel is there to save them. But then again, we haven't yet seen Belgian commandos coming to kidnap people in France or Luxembourgers launching rockets.

The only new thing is that the US ambassador is taking part in this type of operation and behaving like an arsehole with the French Foreign Office.

saubeidl•12m ago
Sounds to me like the ambassador should be kicked out of the country - they are actively conspiring against their host country with a foreign power.
tln•11m ago
What does this mean "to encourage French Jews to do their ahria with free money"

Despite Googling, I'm lost on what "ahria" means

umanwizard•4m ago
Possibly they meant "Aliyah" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah
ciconia•2m ago
Maybe "aliah" - immigrating to Israel.
avar•53s ago
It's a misspelling of "aliyah", which is a term for Jews outside of Israel immigrating to Israel.

They're saying Israel's currently spending advertising money in France hoping to convince French jews to move to Israel.

ChrisArchitect•56m ago
If not to represent their country in a foreign country, what do these ppl think the role of Ambassadors is?

People haven't watched The West Wing etc and it shows

andrewinardeer•46m ago
Australia expelled the Iranian ambassador yesterday. Can anyone give an insights as to what happens during this processes?

I guess diplomatic relations are severed until an ambassador returns to the host country.

rwmj•42m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata is relevant.
Animats•37m ago
It's gone further now. Australia just severed diplomatic relations with Iran.[1]

[1] https://apnews.com/article/australia-iran-antisemitism-attac...

rwmj•44m ago
These formal diplomatic notes are .. what? A piece of headed notepaper? An email? Some XML message validated with a schema?
Animats•25m ago
PDF of the message on a diplomatic letterhead. 8.5x 11", 15 point type, 1 inch margins, seal of the State Department at the top of the first page.[1] The style is formal, but very plain and clear English.

Wars have started because of badly drafted or mishandled diplomatic notes. The Japanese diplomatic note announcing war was supposed to be delivered just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. The communications between the US and Saddam Hussein before the Kuwait war left Hussein with the incorrect impression that the US would not intervene if he invaded Kuwait.

[1] https://fam.state.gov/FAM/05FAH01/05FAH010610.html

aspenmayer•11m ago
I’m not sure in these specific cases, but they are frequently referred to as “diplomatic cables.” I don’t have much insight into how they are sent, delivered, or received, but they likely have formal agreements with host nations that specify how these cables are presented. Due to the sensitive nature of the communications, many of these messages are delivered in person, whether on paper or verbally, one diplomat to another. Electronic means of communicating cables are likely classified.

Animats in a sibling comment has the details. See section i:

> i. Delivery from the Department to Foreign Embassies in Washington, DC[…]

InfoLink seems to be doing the electronic heavy lifting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_cable

oaiey•32m ago
US ambassadors are a disgrace right now. They do not behave like guests or communication bridges but actors influencing local politics. But that is not the purpose of the embassy concept.

As a world we have to return to normal and respectful behavior instead of bullying everywhere. The US under Trump is just one thing: a bully.

With great power comes great responsibility. That is the standard men (and women) are hold accountable.

jussaying2•11m ago
If anyone's looking for the ongoing theatre of international diplomacy at a time of heightened tensions, Trump just proposed a 38 year-old novice/campaign operative as the US ambassador to the world's most populous nation.

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/six-critical-questions-raised-b...

Out of curiosity: what kind of people use this "forum" (I mean Hacker News)?

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