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The Steve Ballmer Interview

https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/the-steve-ballmer-interview
34•naves•2h ago

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profsummergig•1h ago
TIL that Ballmer built their enterprise division from scratch.

Figures. It was a highly profitable division that nobody could figure out what it did or how.

karim79•50m ago
He also saved Xbox from death [0]. More specifically the RROD (red ring of death) which afflicted most xbox360 consoles back in the day. I for one replaced my console three times before learning how to adjust the DVD drive's potentiometer after an insanely long disassembly process. Oh the good ole' days.

[0] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hear-how-steve-ballme...

nipponese•43m ago
Interesting because he also tried to kill Xbox internally before it was an initiative.
rwmj•56m ago
Truly a legendary man for finding himself in the right place at the right time.
jedberg•38m ago
That's honestly a bit dismissive. You might not like him because he's loud and "not an engineer", but you gotta give him credit for tripling their revenue under his watch.
jama211•32m ago
Not the person you just spoke to, and I don’t have any skin in this game, but technically speaking we don’t know if it tripled because of him or despite him, right? The truth is likely somewhere in the middle, but who knows where exactly.
iambateman•35m ago
I’m not against wealthy people, and America has always had a Tycoon class…

But allowing a single person to go from $20B to $130B in assets in 10 years feels like a pretty obvious policy failure.

thefourthchime•30m ago
Why? It's not like this money is in a giant vault filled with money and he swims around it. All of this money is being put to use in the U.S. economy.
jedberg•23m ago
Almost all of that was an increase in stock price. That's about as close as you can get to just sitting in a vault. If he were selling it and using the money for something else, that would be one thing, but he's really not using much of it.

This is not to say it's his fault. That's how our laws are written. But that is the point of OP. That our policies should be forcing him to sell and put that money back into the economy.

harperlee•17m ago
Owning stock is the polar opposite of having money in a vault - it is giving money to the economy. Specifically to a part of the economy that is a money-generating machine: a company. Put in circulation precisely to be invested on the economy.
andrewflnr•10m ago
> Almost all of that was an increase in stock price. That's about as close as you can get to just sitting in a vault.

It would be at least as accurate to say it's as close as money can get to not existing at all. Policy should probably not be "forcing" people to realize gains that, in many cases (maybe not MS, but policy has to work for everyone), may as well be Monopoly money.

syntaxing•14m ago
Not sure if you’re really curious but it’s because it means the US is going from using tax to sustain itself to borrowing money (hence the ballon of debt). When your government relies on borrowing money, the rich always win no matter how you slice it because typically, you borrow money from them somehow. This reliance is the beginning of oligarchy and bad policies that strongly favor the rich from this endless cycle of debt. It’s been true for any developed nations like Four Asian Tigers and been true for nations with strong historic roots like the UK. How do you think the British “royals” sustain themselves?
luketheobscure•25m ago
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but Ballmer essentially made that money by simply not selling his Microsoft stock.
breadwinner•28m ago
Ballmer's chief mistake was sticking to what worked in the past. He was not willing to let go of the Windows monopoly, and Azure in its early days was based on Windows servers. Then Satya came in and said, no it is OK to support Linux, and in fact it is OK to run Microsoft's own services on Linux. It is OK to support Open Source, and in fact we'll open source some of our stuff. That put Microsoft back on track. For now.

Satya's mistake though is that he has filled Microsoft with average people. The best fresh graduates from the top colleges went to Google and Facebook in the last decade -- because they paid significantly more -- and Microsoft picked up the rest. What is the impact of that? Microsoft's execution ability is lower, and we'll see the impact of that in the coming years.

Another of Satya's mistakes is his faux pas related to women employees. He was accused -- unfairly in my opinion -- of saying women employees should not ask for a raise. He did no such thing. He said employees should not ask for a raise (not women employees specifically) and instead should rely on the system to give you the appropriate raise at the appropriate time. But since he said that at a women's conference the accusation stood that he meant women employees specifically. Satya has had to fight against this accusation and he has done so by establishing a quota system for promoting women employees. Executive compensation at all levels at Microsoft is directly tied to promotion of women employees, and as a result, a lot of women now occupy positions they would not otherwise. Again, the impact is decreased ability to execute.

Microsoft today is the second most valuable company behind Nvidia. But you wouldn't know that looking at their products. They don't have any interesting new products. To some extend they are coasting. Will their success continue into the next decade? It's going to be interesting to watch.

Waterluvian•23m ago
> he has filled Microsoft with average people. The best fresh graduates from the top colleges went to Google and Facebook in the last decade

Is there a way to demonstrate that this actually mattered? That paying more did get them “better” talent that actually made a difference? Ie. not any self serving “they did because they’re better and they’re better because they were paid more.”

breadwinner•17m ago
Look at AI. Microsoft was an early leader in AI but that was only because of their investment in OpenAI. What has Microsoft done in AI since then? Is anyone excited about Copilot? Look at what Google has done since then. Lots of interesting stuff. Only recently has Microsoft released something interesting: Mustafa Suleyman released the company’s first model trained internally from start to finish [1].

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/28/microsoft-tests-mai-1-previe...

kace91•12m ago
>The best fresh graduates from the top colleges went to Google and Facebook in the last decade -- because they paid significantly more -- and Microsoft picked up the rest.

That seems shaky as a justification. I don’t have any data behind it, but in a world of eight billion people, it’s a hard sell that there’s only enough top talent for 3 companies.

Plus, feel free to correct me but I don’t feel Meta has brought anything technically brilliant to the table lately. Google might be a better sell with alphafold and some other projects but none of it seems mainstream tech either.

Maybe pixels if you want to stretch it, but search, maps, Gmail, YouTube, android, and even photos were there a decade ago already.

CSMastermind•7m ago
I'm a Ballmer truther. He was completely right about many things including his vision for AI. I know that being early is often the same as being wrong but I don't think his big strategic moves as CEO were incorrect. Microsoft during his era was more marked by an inability to execute on those strategies.
eikenberry•5m ago
Once a company are over a certain size its ability to execute is throttled by business process, not individual's abilities. Individuals are kept from making an impact as they don't want that, they want predictable, replaceable cogs in the machine. Google and Meta suffer the same problem but, as businesses, they are slightly more nimble as they 3x smaller, but that has 0 to do with their hiring/promotion practices.
breadwinner•3m ago
So you're saying average people are fine for a big company? I would agree, if all you want to do is maintain existing products.
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