Every request by law enforcement must be opposed. Do not talk to cops. Do not give them an inch. Ever.
They are insatiable and power-hungry. Nothing will suffice. A police state will still be a million police officers and some stricter laws short.
What if your house get robbed? I'm quite fond of law enforcement actually, and I enjoy living in a safe country.
That's why you just avoid dealing with the police if at all possible.
Actually I think that that's even a fallacy. More data means more stuff to sift through, more false leads in there, more things to follow up. Watch an episode of House M.D. about full-body-scans in medicine: useless, because only wasted time to follow up on every blotch in the scan.
Only publicly available messengers are liable. So if one writes a messenger herself (not too hard) and only distributes it to her friends, family, or a close circle of child porn lovers, one is not liable.
This is how I've been communicating for years now, it works fine and does not feed any of the data parasites out there.
You will only be allowed to install "approved" applications, your device, not your choice anymore.
Tox/aTox [0][1] fits that description and both continue to be developed.
> Empower criminals so that they cant use this excuse to target civilian infra.
According to one webinar from CSIAC (2023) [2], XMPP is popular with Tox slowly catching up.
[0]: https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore
[1]: https://github.com/evilcorpltd/aTox
[2]: https://csiac.dtic.mil/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CSIAC-Webi...
The EU isn't a democracy, it is actually governed by backroom deals between member states' governments.
Certain state level actors would love some more anti EU sentiments right now.
On the other side, who the hell would pay for pro EU propaganda?
The EU, countries governed by pro-EU governments.
> Certain state level actors would love some more anti EU sentiments right now.
Why? What means do they have to produce it?
And no, whatever the US or the EU do, it is not the same.
No one - the EU gets its money from force: taxes on citizens and fines from companies created in more entrepreneurial environments than the EU can produce.
1% of VAT goes to the EU, yes.
> fines from companies created in more entrepreneurial environments than the EU can produce.
Mostly the ones that have actually been imposed (on GDPR) go to the national governments.
EU is great at creating anti EU sentiments. They don't need foreign actors. Chat Control is just one example.
https://profdenoli.substack.com/p/an-essay-on-eus-dsa-censor...
And of course the fact that her husband was working for a Pfizer supplier, while she was sending private SMS to the Pfizer CEO, is of course an incredible coincidence.
And also the current NATO Secretary...
"Dutch PM has been deleting text messages daily for years" - https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/18/dutch-pm-deleting-text-message...
Now, consider, why should this one be excempt.
Foreign intelligence knows what's there, but local people don't.
Politicians are the new clergy then. You're not wrong.
> All communication in the Government Offices is based on the core values of transparency, factualness and comprehensibility, relevance and topicality. Public access and oversight shall characterise all activities.
> The Government Offices' communication policy covers both internal and external communication.
Sweden is generally pretty good at transparency, both regarding representatives and everyone else. For example, given a full name, you can get a person's address, telephone number, what cars and businesses they own, and even what their salary is, for better and worse :)
I don't like Chat Control and I believe privacy should be guaranteed, but Europol seems quite relevant in this matter.
Police is supposedly for protecting people's interests, ideally.
Naively, as a citizen I want to be protected from crime and I'm interested in Europol, experts on crime investigation across Europe, getting what they need to do their work and expressing their needs.
Of course I'm also not interested in privacy being thrown away.
Those two things apparently clash, and a healthy debate can help find an acceptable solution.
> Police is supposedly for protecting people's interests, ideally.
Police is supposedly for enforcing the law regardless of whose interests that serve. Making that enforcement easier isn't always a net positive for society, even when the laws themselves are just.
Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world and I agree with you that in practice, law enforcement isn't always a net positive.
It's its role, theoretically (I don't know about transparent, but protecting citizens for sure).
Of course, the reality is not ideal.
Unfortunately, I don't have much of this. I wish I could!
Happy you wrote this so I could clarify this point.
We are not talking about power or decision making, we are talking about expression.
I'm really confused as to how some people here misunderstand this discussion as being about giving law-making power to the police.
I'm of course against a police state.
edit: I'm not even defending Europol or what they actually do, there are things they do I most certainly don't like.
This is rule of law 101, and has been figured out hundreds of years ago. Without separation of powers, you cannot have rule of law.
I think any organism should be able to express their needs and voice their concern.
That's of course not the same thing as deciding.
(Note, I'm not vouching for the comment you replied to - EU is not even close/comparable to what peak USSR was)
Clearly it's not even just "for the children" anymore. Just plain old panopticon surveillance. I guess they want their NSA too. Though they forget that NSA is only for terrorism purposes, their data is not too be used for regular policing.
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-eu-ombudsman-l...
"Whatever the government at the time doesn't like", is best described as "opposition". It's a healthy and critical component of a free and fair democracy. One that is increasingly silenced in the modern World, much to our shame when future generations judge us.
While I understand the point behind old line "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter", the key point is that both terrorism and "freedom fighting" are about resorting to the use of violence, and the democracy involved (if it was ever present), has failed when people resort to such violence.
I say this as a man who unfortunately has suffered the fear, paranoia and threat of the Provisional IRA, ISIS-attributed cells, and the hard-right provoking riots in the cities and towns I've lived in from an early age.
And that is the point of terrorism - it is meant to induce fear and paranoia and a sense of threat that makes us all want to do anything to make it go away, including surrendering our fundamental rights and rubber-stamping legislation that gives agencies the right to erase our privacy - and by extension our freedom - that raises the question of what's truly worse?
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/uk-spy-base-g...
Yep thats def true, thats 100% the real reason and only purpose of the largest domestic agency
To me, the US have way to much influence, and it's destroying us.
Its NGOs would never have qualified as NGO here (Thorn is only an example), yet we let them lobby as if they weren't weird, dark money adjacent groups. Worst, the Atlas network and all its foundations/schools are definitely culturally USian, yet they try (and succeed) in redefining Europe culture (the 'please think about the children' is definitely from there) and importing US culture wars we never cared about until the late 2000s. Europe and the EU is slowly turning into the US, our governments allow it, and I think that we should pump the brakes, fast.
I like the US, I like people there, but I don't want my country to become a satellite of the US.
And the name was known but redacted before releasing the information to the journalists
The meeting in which it was said involved the europol executive director at the time
One of my favorite random topic discussion places was /r/hungary, my country of origin's subreddit. In 2015, at the height of immigration "crisis", we had very good discussions about the whole topic, even when most Hungarians were, and are clearly racists, and we had very differing views. We discussed pros and cons, we pushed statistics here and there. And we weren't assholes with each others. Even when we were at different places on the political spectrum. And generally every topic could be discussed, without real retorsion.
In 2018, the number of people who has only faith and nothing else increased. That was the first time when, it started to bug me.
In 2020, the number of fake information about COVID, was already about 50-50 with real information. Simple facts which were against their faith were tolerated rarely. For some reason, I still thought that it's just an ephemeral thing, because they're afraid. I was wrong. Oh god, I was very-very wrong. For most people, this was the trigger to go into full unsubstantiated conspiracy theory field.
In 2022, the sub clearly started to be controlled by political parties. There were several obviously paid accounts by several parties.
Nowadays, it's fully controlled by a political party. Dissenting views are barely tolerated. And basically all views are based on faith, and faith alone. There is no - not just sensible, but simply - discussions anymore. Whoever wants to discuss Hungarian affairs sensibly, long left that place.
I've seen the same thing regarding my friends, and people who I followed on Twitter. Most of us just left public spaces all together. We don't follow news anymore that closely either. And who do, slowly go into a very dark place. One of my friends started with "classical liberalism". Nowadays, outspoken Nazi. One other was afraid of COVID, and started to share bullshit D-Vitamin spam blog posts. Nowadays, he's full blown antivax. Another, was deep into depression, after the amount of alt-right bullshit he consumed. Luckily, he got out from there, but there were times when I thought that I lost him. My mom doesn't know what's happening in the country where she lives. My dad knows, follows the news, and he's halfway into depression for the past years. And there are those people who I followed on Twitter, because they argued sensibly. They are either not there anymore, or slowly their fact based opinions were replaced by faith. They maybe still on the "right" "side", but it's more rarely a conscious decision. It's only a matter of time before they will slip, and even now sensible discussions are impossible with them.
I don't know what good solutions there are. I hate that I'm turning more, and more inwards, creating a bubble again, after I forcefully cut it open completely about 15 years ago. But unfortunately, it's worth less and less to read random people's opinion... or at least what many try to sell as opinion.
These are words from people who have a seat at the table in negotiating this attempt at getting chat control through. If they don’t manage it this time, don’t be surprised if the things described are in the next try, and then people will be looking for something else to call sensationalised.
It's nothing more one of the examples of EU bureaucrats trying to justify their inflated EU salaries. It is mostly coordination paperwork that inflates Brussels chaos without direct crime fighting effectiveness.
Should be closed as each country police already cooperates as needed. They are nothing more than a support only EU agency requesting bigger scopes to justify their existence.
They can't by law apply coercive measures today, and its staff cannot execute investigative measures today.
There are ample evidence of EU expanding authority beyond the original charter, from common market project into a political union with broad competences.
This is supposed to change with the ProtectEU plan. Europol would become an FBI equivalent.
They have another interesting article: https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...
Follow the money also has a few articles about... Well, money and thorn and eu csam regulation
Chat Control and whatever is following from that is just the beginning.
And then you compare this. Let's say you do get scammed into transferring money. Can Europol, or any police department, help you? No ...
Think of the children!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/05/encrypt...
(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39609846)
Can start a discussion here without reddit threads of random article screenshots.
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