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The Arrest That Demonstrates Europe's Free-Speech Problem

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/graham-linehan-arrest-europe-free-speech/684081/
13•RestlessMind•3h ago

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fennec-posix•3h ago
https://archive.is/x3s67

What he posted probably isn't a credible threat that should result in arrest, but he's been a serial pest and fearmonger for YEARS, so I do not shed a single tear.

throwawayffffas•3h ago
While I agree that in Europe speech is overly policed, the inability of the US legal system to deal with decentralized leaderless terrorist movements clearly demonstrates the failure of the American conception of free speech.
plastic-enjoyer•1h ago
tbf every democratic country seems to be unable to deal with decentralized leaderless terrorist movements
ben_w•1h ago
Mm; but do also ask yourself if the "seems" matches the reality, given how many of the organisations who tell us about the world have incentives to show us the failures and not the base rate.
juped•2h ago
American jurisprudence has the best standard for incitement in the world, the Brandenburg standard: imminent lawless action. "Imminent" is vital, and unique to America; the government is barred from constructing hypothetical situations around acts of speech to prosecute them, as is easy to do with quite a lot of speech.

And we only reached it in the 1960s! Freeing speech is always an active fight.

ben_w•2h ago
American media thinks it's "absurd" and "totalitarian" to arrest someone that is advocating for punching certain people in the balls simply for being in a location?

Sincere question for the Americans here, because these journalists are far too alien in their mindset for me: if someone was tweeting an equivalent statement about journalists, something along the lines of "anyone who identifies themselves as a journalist in a Republican space is automatically committing an act of violence, if you find one you should call the police and if that doesn't work, you should kick them in the balls", would these media still support the right to say that?

The only "absurd" part of this situation is that many of the people he's advocating real violence against literally don't have the body part he's advocating punching.

norome•55m ago
seems pretty telling that the article is all about Britain and the UK, but the author calls it a "European" problem. While afaik european countries do not have "free speech" in the american sense they do each have differing levels of tolerance, criminalization, and enforcement. I think the social side is even more important than the legal aspects. Orwell wrote his 1984 about England, after the social repression he experienced. And I would say the same or stronger repression and conformism exists in north america, despite the law. What I've seen in europe is that day-to-day freedom of expression is far and away greater than anywhere in Canada or the US i've been. Including the UK sphere. So I think it's a serious error to conflate the law itself with the "tyranny of the majority", and to conflate one country or region with "europe".
CjHuber•42m ago
At least in Germany there is definitely a „free speech problem“. There are several crimes such as „Volksverhetzung“ (agitation of the people) that do serve a legitimate purpose but which are very vaguely defined. Also, trying to ban a party like the AfD, which is the second largest in Germany, for things that are not illegal to say (I‘m not judging their politics here, I‘m just saying the assessment has been leaked and there are no illegal things in there) doesn’t exactly scream free speech

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