1. Should we be mandated to do something that while a good thing appears to infringe on personal freedom. Such as, mandate good diet, exercise, vaccine etc. People here have made very good points about why sometimes we have to forgo certain freedoms for the greater good. At the same time, we should not forget how some countries take this too far and become nanny states.
2. Are the Florida officials spreading misinformation and fear against vaccinations? Some of Dr. Ladapo's recommendations can certainly be viewed that way.
Depends on what it is, the effort it takes on the part of the individual, and how much the state needs to intrude on privacy to ensure compliance.
Traffic lights infringe on personal freedom. It doesn't take individuals much effort to stop at a red light and start again when it turns green. It's easy for the state to enforce.
Diet and exercise mandates are hard to comply with, hard to enforce. The immediate benefits are limited to the individual while the societal benefits are more diffuse.
Childhood vaccination requirements are more like traffic lights than diet and exercise mandates.
> Some of Dr. Ladapo's recommendations can certainly be viewed that way
That's a an awfully charitable way to say "quack moron grifter". He's compared vaccination requirements to slavery there's really no other words to describe him.
"Nanny state" is word they use when their only argument is mockery.
Is it even an insult? Who didn't love their nanny as a kid? Lmao
The answer is yes, we should be mandated to do things that help the greater good. If we're going to have a society and function as a cohesive population with common goals and morals and the idea that we are going to improve ourselves, you're going to have to force some people to come along
It's insane that preventing polio is being compared to a "nanny state" at this point
SilverElfin•2h ago
dc396•1h ago
SilverElfin•1h ago
On a personal level, I do agree it is logical and also nice to be vaccinated. But keep in mind, vaccination means something different now. You are not immune to covid and you are still able to transmit it to others. The chances may be lower - but we’re already talking about something that has a low chance of causing serious health issues. So if someone is truly concerned about their health, whether society is vaccinated or not doesn’t matter - they would need to stay home regardless. In which case, why force others to get vaccinated?
allturtles•1h ago
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BugsJustFindMe•1h ago
This demonstrates an extreme lack of awareness of what it means to be part of a society. Have you really never thought about the fact that societies are entirely built out of small near-term individual sacrifices for persistent collective benefit?
Smeevy•39m ago
I'm not being sarcastic or anything here. Accepting a few limitations on the theoretical extents of my personal freedom so that I can exist and not worry about being murdered for my possessions on a minute-by-minute basis seems like a pretty good deal.
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watwut•27m ago
Negligent or irresponsible parents are exactly that and larger society should protect the kids.