The "think of the children" crowd should not be given a single inch. Nothing good ever came from it, and by now, I believe that nothing ever will.
Well, reason on it, and you'll see that reason will confirm the instinct.
How, fairly and realistically.
It passes through the discrimination of the user (mature or fool, sane or insane...) which is algorithmically quite a challenge.
while giving old tech a pass
Tv ratings, seatbelts, car seats, and crash safety regulations exist. Also books may give you an idea but they cannot interact with you in real time. Suggesting it is the same is disingenuous.There's a known, repeatable failure mode in these engines that anyone who's worked with them for more than a couple hours can tell you: when a conversation goes on too long, it "feeds back" on itself. I don't fully understand the mechanism (I believe it's partly to do with the model's attention mechanism getting saturated and newer content dominating over older content, and it's related to the "jailbreak" solution where you hit the machine with so much text that it "forgets" the directives it's been given by its creators when it booted up). But the end result is that over time, the conversation centers on the more recent topics, ideas, and tones over the initial configuration. That's one of the reasons you can "trick" these models into being racist by talking like a racist, and so on.
Reading the excerpts I've read from the chat history Raine had with his session, it seems pretty clear that it's gone on so long that the session is "reflecting" his own writing and mood back at him. And that's the heartbreaking part: it's, in essence, coaching him to end his life because he's been talking about ending his life for so long in the conversation that it's saturated the model.
It's this poor young man's own pain reflected back on him.
notmyjob•1h ago
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gjsman-1000•1h ago
Completely possible, compatible, and probably mostly effective. The only question is whether there's the political will and the societal tolerance.
MegaButts•1h ago
gjsman-1000•1h ago
2/5s of Gen Z can't even navigate between folders on a computer, according to studies, with CS instructors saying they need to introduce directories as a concept. Yes, it will.
anonym29•1h ago
2/5ths of Gen Z not currently knowing how to navigate between folders in a hierarchical file system doesn't mean that 2/5ths of Gen Z is incapable of learning how to navigate between folders in a hierarchical file system.
The gap between present knowledge and capacity doesn't exist due to incompetence, it exists due to lack of motivation, and rest assured, once teenage boys discover how great boobs are, they'll have all the motivation they need to learn how to use technology to achieve the goal of viewing and appreciating that kind of material, pretty much regardless of how many restrictions you put in their way.
They'll make their own in a paint app or with ASCII art in a notepad, push come to shove, but that won't be necessary. It's hilarious to think that states have the slighest hope of winning the whack-a-mole game of trying to sue every single website on the entire internet that hosts any pornographic content.
gjsman-1000•58m ago
How many people do you know whose first introduction to porn was "that's sounds cool, let me look that up?" Versus discovering it by accident, exactly what a law would effectively prevent?
anonym29•52m ago
But again, none of that will be necessary. Rule34 websites, imageboards, video game rendering glitches... the list goes on and on.
It's truly delusional to believe that it's possible to exhaustively censor imagery of the human body from the most motivated seeking/viewing demographic on the planet.
Are you by chance a woman? Were you homeschooled? Do you not have memories of being a teenage guy in the US public school system? I don't mean to denigrate you, I just cannot fathom how anyone can possibly credibly believe that it's even slightly realistic to keep teenage boys completely unaware of what boobs look like in the real world.
fluoridation•23m ago
Oh, man. You just reminded me of teenage me trying to make something out in scrambled porn on cable TV after midnight. You could kind of see the thrusting, but it was barely stimulating. Those were tough times, let me tell you.
anonym29•13m ago
I was literally looking up Zero Suit Samus fan art on my Wii's web browser when parents put parental control software on the computer.
When I was grounded from all computer usage, I'd pull up Catie Minx photoshoots on a first-generation Kindle, with the e-ink display that had image update latency measured in seconds.
All of my friends would go to these extents and more to access this kind of material. I was introduced to dumpster diving by a friend for this reason. I had another friend who got caught for shoplifting adult magazines from a bookstore.
I don't think the motivation and ingenuity in seeking adult content is generationally restricted or particularly unique at all, it seems to be true for every guy I know, including those who were born in the 50s, 60s, 70's, 80s, 90s.
I genuinely cannot comprehend the thought process of people who truly believe that a few targeted lawsuits at major porn sites is going to make a dent in what might be one of the strongest behavioral drives hardcoded into the human genome.
fluoridation•49m ago
HankStallone•39m ago
I'm not opposed to measures that try to make it harder for kids to get at porn. But it's going to be pretty much impossible to do that as long as we want adults to have unimpeded access to it, and we do.
One option would be to put the responsibility on the distributor, and not give them the option of a "you must be 18 to enter" fig leaf: if a kid is found in possession of porn that can be traced to your web site, you face serious fines and possible imprisonment. But that would basically eliminate porn sites for everyone, since it would be impossible to prevent it from finding its way to kids, and we can't have that.
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dmbche•54m ago
Are they capable of using computers to achieve their goals? Yes. Does that require navigating folders? No.
EDIT0: I remember writing a 4 line program to crash the school computer (recursively executing itself) on notepad, and I'm pretty sure I didn't know what folders and directories were.
I can also attest to many of my coworkers not understanding what file extensions are, while being over 40 and working in aeronautics.
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ajsnigrutin•1h ago
In other words, exactly what their plan is.
Why not just add whitelisted parental controls on childrens phones and be done?
anonym29•45m ago
Allowlist-based parental controls already exist. Most parents never set them up because it's a pointless battle, their teenagers will just another device that isn't controlled by the parent.
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fluoridation•1h ago
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NoMoreNicksLeft•1h ago
Hell, you can download scans of old porn magazines on archive.org.
I don't think that would be effective, and I definitely don't think there is a political will.
Cheer2171•54m ago
Work out how much state and corporate power we would need to come to bear to enforce the vision of the world you are advocating.
Or, bravo on the HN troll. This is perfectly triggering for this crowd.
staplers•33m ago
zer00eyz•37m ago
Papers Please.
Here is the messed up thing, there is a good chance that one could make a pretty accurate guess on your age just based on behavior.
The digital age needs its own "steal this book"
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ajsnigrutin•1h ago
Same for many other movies from that era.
mystraline•37m ago
Oh wait. That was Hanna Barbera, Disney, Looney Tunes, and the like.
Later childhood after watching the re-re-repeats of 1960's shows, was learning about hatred, racism, and what the 'normies' would do to you, no matter what you did or didn't do. And, Magneto was right.
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mdp2021•44m ago
Children are exposed to liars, to fools, to the stupid, to the unwise, to the corrupted in malice, to the weak in will... Since a very young age.
«Exposing» such frequent faults to children does not «normalize» it. It may, if the child is in a generally bad environment - but then, the target is the core environment, not the outer experience.
tennisflyi•26m ago
That's my gripe. Vixen is veeeery different than some other websites under the guise of "porn" - they're going to ruin it for all of us
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