This would be damning for every politician except Trump and those close to him.
bediger4000•1d ago
You've mentioned something unique about Trump. What you wrote is true, beyond doubt, but the question is "why Trump?" Explanations I can dream up are unsatisfying.
glhaynes•21h ago
The best theory I can come up with is that we had no immunity to someone who is just utterly shameless and never even considers apologizing. Every scandalous story helps him because it makes people forget about the one from a few days ago. Turns out that’s a superpower in early 21st century America.
twixfel•12h ago
That's not an explanation, though. Why are the American people so weak to someone so uniquely awful, evil, mentally disabled and morally degenerate? Is it replicable? Can the next gigabastard just not care too, and the Americans will fall in line? Or does it die with him? What is it about Trump and what it is about Americans?
It's hard for me as a foreign admirer of the USA not to conclude that a small majority of Americans are fundamentally quite venal and nasty. To think that I used to believe that shit Reagan said about the US being a city on a hill! Crazy.
rsynnott•11h ago
Musk kind of does a similar thing, and it _kind_ of works for him, but not as well as it works for Trump. It's a bit of an oddity, alright.
n4r9•7h ago
I can think of several reasons why the US public finds Trump more appealing. Trump is a US national born and bred, whilst Musk was born in South Africa and holds Canadian as well as US citizenship. Trump absolutely nails populist rhetoric, whilst Musk is nerdy and aloof. Trump describes himself as chosen by God and vows to bring religion back to America, whilst Musk is nuanced and cagey about religion. Trump has celeb certification with his appearances on The Apprentice and WWE, whilst Musk tends to avoid mainstream media.
bediger4000•10h ago
Your first paragraph is exactly right in it's questions. Depending on how successful Trump ultimately is, will his successor be able to continue.
Your 2nd paragraph is hard for me, a US citizen, to see. Reagan was in fact a complete faker and a liar. US religious leaders are also fakers and liars.
twixfel•6h ago
I am not invested in Reagan’s legacy by any means. I only wished to communicate that I am, or was, very far from being anti American.
lawn•16h ago
We went past that point years ago.
For Obama people went crazy because he wore a tan suit.
But when Trump lies, grifts, cheats, or sexually assaults women (and children) people defends him.
This is truly how a cult operates.
glhaynes•1d ago
Hmmmm why would the President have lied about this? Who can say
treetalker•17h ago
The letter doesn't exist. And if it does exist, the signature of Donald J. Trump on the letter, which looks identical to my signature, isn't my signature. And if it is my signature, I didn't put it there. And if I did put it there, the Democrats forced me to. I can't even write! This is very unfair, this is a hoax. I'm an FBI informant. I'm the President, so I can be creepy if I want to be. I can do anything I want. This is so unfair.
drewbitt•1d ago
bediger4000•1d ago
glhaynes•21h ago
twixfel•12h ago
It's hard for me as a foreign admirer of the USA not to conclude that a small majority of Americans are fundamentally quite venal and nasty. To think that I used to believe that shit Reagan said about the US being a city on a hill! Crazy.
rsynnott•11h ago
n4r9•7h ago
bediger4000•10h ago
Your 2nd paragraph is hard for me, a US citizen, to see. Reagan was in fact a complete faker and a liar. US religious leaders are also fakers and liars.
twixfel•6h ago
lawn•16h ago
For Obama people went crazy because he wore a tan suit.
But when Trump lies, grifts, cheats, or sexually assaults women (and children) people defends him.
This is truly how a cult operates.