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My blue is your blue: different people's brains process colours in the same way

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02901-3
24•gnabgib•5h ago

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zahlman•5h ago
> Now, a study that recorded patterns of brain activity in 15 participants suggests that colours are represented and processed in the same way in the brains of different people.

Interesting, but I'm not convinced that it actually settles (would settle, if the "suggestion" is confirmed) the philosophical question.

smokedetector1•4h ago
Agreed. It begs the big question of - does identical brain activity produce identical qualia
nyc_data_geek1•4h ago
I am certain those neural interface folks would be very happy to have an objective answer to this question.
coldtea•3h ago
Perhaps it doesn't need to be settled anymore, since it's empirically verified.
cluckindan•4h ago
Oh, really? How many color deficient or color blind people were included? :-)
coldtea•3h ago
In what way is this relevant?
neonrider•4h ago
> Is the colour you see the same as what I see? It’s a question that has puzzled both philosophers and neuroscientists for decades, but has proved notoriously difficult to answer.

> Now, a study that recorded patterns of brain activity in 15 participants suggests that colours are represented and processed in the same way in the brains of different people.

They're not asking the same question though. Neuroscientists are asking whether the brain processes the physical substrate (photons) that precedes the experience in the same way. Philosophers are asking if the subjective experience that follows (the qualia) is identical. The former is the easy question. The latter is the impossible question.

LiquidSky•2h ago
This is a classic case of “STEM types please learn the tiniest bit about the humanities before expounding on them”.
skywhopper•2h ago
In fact, I think the latter is an even easier question. People’s subjective experience of colors is obviously different across a large enough population. Colorblindness and synesthesia alone prove as much.
loki49152•1h ago
The latter is an "impossible question" because it's a meaningless question.
_mu•1h ago
It is not a meaningless question? It is a very profound question.
kbelder•2h ago
I wonder if scientists are more ignorant of philosophy than philosophers are of science, or the other way around?

Either way, both fields really seem to fumble around when they approach the other's domain.

jjk166•2h ago
Imagine I built a machine that allowed you to see colors exactly how another person perceived them. You look through Bob's eyes and see that his blue is your blue.

Then I notice a loose screw and tighten it. Now you see Bob's blue as orange.

Was the machine properly functioning with the screw loose or tightened? Was it properly functioning in either configuration? How would you prove it?

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