I used to think of Tucker Carlson, Marjory Taylor Green, and Bernie Sanders as extreme political theater. Their honest transparent, and vocal opinions about Israel have really led me to rethink them and listen to them lately.
motorest•1h ago
Are you talking about the same Tucker Carlson which is paid off by the Russian regime to spread Russian propaganda?
Or you could read the linked BBC article and form your own opinion. The comment incorrectly conjoins the mention of Tucker Carlson with people who are known to be paid by Russia to push Russian talking points. Tucker Carlson could be pushing Russian opinions but has not been identified as such making the comment above invalid.
mdhb•1h ago
There is ample evidence to say without any shadow of a doubt that Tucker Carlson is not an honest broker, has never been an honest broker and will never be an honest broker.
He has been caught multiple times holding completely different beliefs in private to what he says in public and is actively in the business of tricking rubes for money.
People who can’t see that are typically associated with having a hard break from reality in most circles.
motorest•1h ago
> Or you could read the linked BBC article and form your own opinion.
If you by now aren't aware of the likes of Tucker Carlson being a Russian asset, either you have been living under a rock or you are purposely playing dumb.
Do yourself a favor and spend a couple of minutes googling the topic and you will find a wealth of sources on how the Russian regime has been financing Tucker Carlson and other extremist propaganda agents. Even Canada's prime minister went Publix with the information.
This isn't anything exceptional either. Russia has been for many years financing all kinds of extremist organizations throughout Europe, including bankrollong neonazi/fascist political parties.
kbrkbr•1h ago
> Their honest transparent, and vocal opinions
How do you know the opinions are honest? That strikes me as not easily assessable. What does it mean that an opinion is transparent?
austin-cheney•1h ago
I believe they are honest because they are pushing factual numbers and speaking in reference to eye witness accounts.
dleary•1h ago
But we know, with absolute certainty, from the Dominion lawsuit subpoenas, that Tucker Carlson was privately telling people that Trump was awful, while publicly saying the opposite.
His private texts include, "We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait.”
And
"I hate him passionately. ... I can't handle much more of this”.
He was sending these texts while publicly repeating the standard Fox News lines about how great Trump is, etc.
How can you ever consider him honest, after this?
austin-cheney•54m ago
This isn’t that. To consider his, or anyone else’s, honesty I compare what they say to the evidence they present and contrast that against competing claims from other sources.
mdhb•51m ago
Is there something special about you that has you convinced you’re not being tricked? Like do you think you have some exceptionally good bullshit detector? I’m genuinely curious about the mentality here.
What lead you to believe you can take two people like Tucker Carlson and MTG who are PRIMARILY known for spouting bullshit and you can somehow magically decipher the signal from the noise? Is it just the topic of Israel that you agree with them on? What are you actually comparing them against? I’d love to know more about what you’re describing looks like in practice because it sounds very handwavy at the moment and maybe it would be a better discussion with concrete details.
austin-cheney•11m ago
Because in this case most politicians are performing double speak and failing to directly answer questions about recent Israel conduct. Many of these politicians claiming in private what most of us are seeing in the news. It is refreshing to have at least some politicians step up to the plate and directly speak to the numbers and multitude of evidence.
Likewise consider the opposite. Until recently I really respected Buttigieg, but when asked about Israel he cannot answer the question. He hopelessly looks for a moderate safe way out and it looks really incompetent.
kbrkbr•48m ago
So what you mean by "honest" is "they believe the same things as facts like I do, and draw the same conclusions?"
Or put differently: "they have the same world view as I have?"
austin-cheney•4m ago
By honest I mean their opinions more closely align to the multitude of evidence available. Other opinions upon that same evidence are welcome.
kbrkbr•51m ago
I am skeptical of any numbers from a war zone with a public relations war going on at the same time. This appears to be generally admitted, as witnessed by quotes as the long standing and cross cultural "the first casualty of war is truth." [1]
So I'm curious. How do you know the numbers are factual and they eye witnesses are what they say they are?
Sure, so get foreign journalists in there so that we can all know for sure. Until such time I will retain the personal opinion that Israel is lying about everything.
simianwords•1h ago
Bernard Sanders is against Israel despite being Jewish. It is surprising because he seems to be one of the few people who is not corruptible despite technically having religious and cultural links to Israel.
It comes down to the fact that he is a normie. He sees people dying and he instinctively speaks against it. It is similar with economical and other political talking points.
austin-cheney•1h ago
Bernie Sanders is Jewish but does not claim to have any such links to Israel.
simianwords•1h ago
He has religious and cultural links to Israel. He can become a citizen of Israel anytime he wishes. He probably has family there as well.
austin-cheney•57m ago
He has stated that he has no such links and no association to Israel, whether religious or cultural or familial.
austin-cheney•1h ago
motorest•1h ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrlv7jdnq8o
austin-cheney•1h ago
mdhb•1h ago
austin-cheney•1h ago
mdhb•1h ago
He has been caught multiple times holding completely different beliefs in private to what he says in public and is actively in the business of tricking rubes for money.
People who can’t see that are typically associated with having a hard break from reality in most circles.
motorest•1h ago
If you by now aren't aware of the likes of Tucker Carlson being a Russian asset, either you have been living under a rock or you are purposely playing dumb.
Do yourself a favor and spend a couple of minutes googling the topic and you will find a wealth of sources on how the Russian regime has been financing Tucker Carlson and other extremist propaganda agents. Even Canada's prime minister went Publix with the information.
This isn't anything exceptional either. Russia has been for many years financing all kinds of extremist organizations throughout Europe, including bankrollong neonazi/fascist political parties.
kbrkbr•1h ago
How do you know the opinions are honest? That strikes me as not easily assessable. What does it mean that an opinion is transparent?
austin-cheney•1h ago
dleary•1h ago
His private texts include, "We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait.”
And
"I hate him passionately. ... I can't handle much more of this”.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tucker-carlson-endorses-donald-...
He was sending these texts while publicly repeating the standard Fox News lines about how great Trump is, etc.
How can you ever consider him honest, after this?
austin-cheney•54m ago
mdhb•51m ago
What lead you to believe you can take two people like Tucker Carlson and MTG who are PRIMARILY known for spouting bullshit and you can somehow magically decipher the signal from the noise? Is it just the topic of Israel that you agree with them on? What are you actually comparing them against? I’d love to know more about what you’re describing looks like in practice because it sounds very handwavy at the moment and maybe it would be a better discussion with concrete details.
austin-cheney•11m ago
Likewise consider the opposite. Until recently I really respected Buttigieg, but when asked about Israel he cannot answer the question. He hopelessly looks for a moderate safe way out and it looks really incompetent.
kbrkbr•48m ago
Or put differently: "they have the same world view as I have?"
austin-cheney•4m ago
kbrkbr•51m ago
So I'm curious. How do you know the numbers are factual and they eye witnesses are what they say they are?
[1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/04/11/casualty/
austin-cheney•6m ago
simianwords•1h ago
It comes down to the fact that he is a normie. He sees people dying and he instinctively speaks against it. It is similar with economical and other political talking points.
austin-cheney•1h ago
simianwords•1h ago
austin-cheney•57m ago