Not sure why I thought of Bill Belichick

First they will start launching TikTok Enterprise.

An all-buzzwords compliant subscription based solution for enterprise and professional content creators.

I immediately had the same thought. One can hope!

The "good" news is that they will only own the US operations, with the ROTW continuing to be operated by ByteDance. So if they diverge too far from the original product we can expect to see a discussion about life behind the Great Firewall of America.

why do people hate TikTok as a product so much?

if TikTok dies then one of the alternatives: instagram reels or youtube shorts would take its place.

the brainrot will be the same. I guess people think tiktok's algorithm is particularly pervasive over Google's or Meta's? But I don't see why.

That never worked.

Google had Google+ which was a massive failure.

Facebook tried releasing a product for workplace communication named Workplace/Facebook at Work and that is almost dead.

Microsoft has been eyeing a social media platform for years, and the only relevant product that I am aware of is Viva Engage (formerly Yammer) that is not very good in my opinion.

Oracle has never ever had any product that targets mainstream consumers. They always focused on enterprise products and don't understand consumers. Just like Microsoft never released a hardware product that matches iPhone's success, or Apple never has any enterprise product that remotely competes with Office. It's not in their gene. They'll be lucky enough if they don't run it into the ground.

LawyerTok

I doubt it. Oracle has a booming datacenter and cloud business right now. Their role is to host the data in a US jurisdiction, which they can do. It won’t affect the success or failure of TikTok. And frankly it won’t give TikTok users privacy since the data can still be accessed by software written by Chinese employees.

>(which would probably be an actual digital privacy framework)

The ban wasn't executed on digital privacy concerns. The intent of the original ban was on digital privacy concerns, and that was shot down.

>The Intel stake is the same - barely thought out. If you haven't noticed, this has been a common theme in many policy decisions lately.

The TikTok ban passed under Biden, and the ball was kicked to Trump so he would deal with the political fallout. But the reason the ban passed the second time around was because China would not censor content about the Gaza genocide. The ban had no legs until October 7th and TikTok frustrated the US/Israel message that Hamas was homicidal terrorist group that spawned from no where.

What seems obvious is that, yes, the new TikTok, will fall in line with other US owned social media companies when it comes to spreading US propoganda.

So while Chinese social networks have "What happened in tiananmen square?", US social networks will have "Is Israel committing a genocide?".

To be fair, that doesn't mean they can't be re-written in Java.

IIRC, but I read the TikTok app is mostly WebViews, which was a design choice to help keep it functioning in the face of an App Store ban.

We are doing state capitalism without China’s “serve the people” bit. Hm, maybe there’s a name for that type of government, idk.

This. I think people in general misunderstand the allure of power and the means to maintain it. Power centers in US are drooling at the opportunity to do what China has done in terms of controlling discourse and language. The interesting thing is that they all assume that this particular measure of control would never be turned against them.

edit: Adjusted weapon to 'measure of control'. I accept people are a little too happy to overreact lately.

Why would anyone want to use OracleTok?

You won’t get the option to do it through the app stores, so pretty much no one’s going to do it.

Nope. I get a lot localised content. The local food reviewers etc. won't miss out on US views. The people creating content in local languages won't notice a difference either. 15 years ago I think things would have went differently but now I think people will want the non-US version. And I wouldn't be surprised if US users grab themselves a VPN and a pirated APK and use it too.

It is funny to say this as if there was some past story on here that everyone saw. In the last month, the story about a potential TikTok deal with the most engagement maxed out at 3 comments and 17 points[1]. This is probably the most important news in the social media sphere since Musk bought Twitter and the HN audience doesn't care about it until contracts are signed? That's pretty unbelievable.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45249430

details, NO algorythm, Trumpy, China, Money, Twitteresque user base revolt....or worse so it's very much as you state, non final

Exactly. Depending on the traffic in newest, stories can slip in disappear in the flow

Didn't expect to see the USA employing press censors in my lifetime but here we are.

In Brazil during the dictatorship it was common for newspapers to print cooking recipes in place of censored articles, now I'm waiting to see if media in the USA has the balls to play the malicious compliance game... I guess I won't see it since money is basically God in America.

> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor"

Kenneth Weinstein.

"Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)

This goes way beyond this current administration and has nothing to do with China, besides being the foil for the real reason of controlling what people can see and hear because the cabal that controls the USA does not like it.

At his request lol. Strong corporate governance structure.

Ha. I hadn’t seen the news in the latter link.

Washed-up music video director to professional Twitter poster to advisor at Facebook. What a display of the American meritocracy.

dang why can't I downvote comments

That doesn't diminish the impact it has on the rest of humanity, and by proxy, on me.

The problem with that rhetoric is that at some point you need social media to prove legitimacy of your identity.

It already happens at border controls and TSA checks.

Guess when that "you can just not use TikTok" argument will expand to "you can just not use the internet" and effectively be punished monetarily or socially for not wanting to use it.

What's to stop ByteDance from waiting a while and making a new TikTok app under a different name? The network effect moats do not seem insurmountable. I'm sure once the US starts meddling with the algorithm people will start looking for alternatives.

Yes, as with all well-run businesses, it's common to terminate your flagship products due to one down year without any attempts to fix cost overruns. There's a reason the people at CBS keep leaking that it lost $50m last year but don't tell you how much it lost or made the previous 5 years, they just say "viewership was down since COVID".

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/07/20/wsj-late-night-...

Conjecture. But, since the article says Colbert has 10 months left, I think this would be a awesome turn of events if they canceled his show for political reasons (to get Trump's FCC approval) only to ultimately keep the show now that the FCC has approved the deal. That would be the purest form of beating Trump at his own game.

how do you know if anyone is downvoting a comment?

He’s got the wrong guy on the paramount deal. It’s David Ellison though they’re related:

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/paramount-warner-bros-disco...

It is two people here. David Ellison who took over Paramount is the son of Larry Ellison of Oracle.

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ellison

>moral integrity of Larry Ellison...

Don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886728

Genuine question: what do you think the alternative is? Ultimately someone will have the power. I don’t know what’s particularly questionable about Larry Ellison. An entrepreneur controlling media seems better than the state or a foreign government.

> No one cares about anything that matters.

Maybe that's what they wanted all along.

Why fight a war against class, against oppression when we can sit on a chair and write a comment either defending or arguing against something as petty as religion.

It would be maybe the 3rd point worth discussing definitely after concentration of power & how they can influence our opinion of the masses.

But people made it the first.

There is no such thing as a moral billionaire imo, I saw a video like this and I sorta agree.

I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone owning this much amount of control.

Religion seems so petty to me yet it seems that the world is coming back to it. Fighting us vs them.

We have all forgotten what the people in 1970's esque dreamed of 2025 etc. (I am a genz but I have seen such videos of people thinking what)

And the funny thing is, is that we ourselves have forgotten how to dream of what will happen in 2100

Do we really want to grow old in society where even after 70-80 years, one of our children or grandchildren sees yet again some comment like this and writes something like this that I am writing?

I feel a little frustrated.

In 2020, 22.4% of the US population voted for Trump. In 2024, 22.7% of the population voted for Trump. I hate how people draw drastic conclusions regarding what the American people want based off the shift of less than half a percentage point of the population.

In authoritarian regimes the industrial capacity of an economy is appropriated by the state, where the fruits of the industry are enjoyed by party loyalists.

In this case using the state to choose which business is viable, no doubt being businesses that play ball with the party.

-its why sectarian conflicts and power delegation is so high stakes in many parts of the world.

  > The root cause is the partisan politicisation of the economy.

well, tbf in the old days, it was literally called ‘political economy’ for a reason… maybe the name should make a comeback.

That is one of the prime reasons congress banned TikTok.

If we want neutral, how about a fair arena for opinions and ideas.. at the moment "The Right" yells and screams "Anti-Semite! Terrorist!" if someone protests against the starvation and slaughter of children... So having them control the medium doesn't feel right for me.

Ok someone's going to come and say that "The Left" controlled the medium and disallowed "non-mainstream" messaging about Covid... I admit my bias and consider such messaging lunacy too..

I would argue that on this matter and all matters relating to the middle-east, American minds are still being swayed by a foreign country and have been for the last 50 to 80 years. At least, with Chinese Tiktok, Elon's twitter and competition between the various social media platforms, Americans for the first time were exposed to voices from the other side. And between the two sides, were able to make up a more informed decision. This is a desperate attempt to reverse that. I doubt it will work in the long-term and i don't think it is expected to. But I think in near-term this is a measure to control the narrative to prepare for American misadventures in the region over the next couple of years. Which almost certainly includes a second war with Iran, Israeli annexation of the West Bank and even possibly a partial American occupation of Gaza.

For a large share of the population social media is the only media they consume, so this is part of your real problem

Actually it's the opposite. Pre-internet, there were a handful of news sources in any given city (mostly newspapers and TV), so they couldn't afford to alienate half of their potential viewers/readers by leaning hard left or right.

Today, there are many, many sources of 'news' online. So many that the net effect is that most of those sources lean one way or the other, and by and large people choose to listen mostly or only to those sources they agree with.

No wonder political opinions are so highly divided today. Almost no one ever hears anything from the other side.

The problem is that the pro stands from problem.

Whenever we take a stance, We identify our ego with that stance. We shall die but die a pro X or pro Y

As such many debates happen in bad faith as well.

Of course everyone has their agenda but one has to understand that agenda is just a framework for understanding the world.

And we need to understand the world because it has no inherent meaning.

So like, if we really have to deduce meaning, if we really have to be pro something that we can die on a hill towards, I'd rather have it be a humanitarian thing.

I am not saying that palestine is good either but rather that in genocide/wars, the people fighting the war/military/families displaced suffer, not the old man causing the war.

I feel like I am a humanist. Wishing to understand the world, yet I feel like some people in this world have hurt me so much that sometimes I just wish the world to burn.

I am sure that people are gonna comment on something like "oh do you support a genocide etc."

But I am trying to make the point that the world should really be just anti suffering,accepting. Yes I am naive but surely with all of this technological improvements, we can improve the structure of society to not be fucking brewing with hate and bullying and resentment.

We can do so much better as a society without even trying much. Just small acts of kindness and basically creating a environment that rewards it and punishes bullying/hate speech etc. might be really nice if I am being honest.

Not sure why we can't be pro this instead of defining ourselves with the confict of two other foreign nations

> What's the problem with being pro-israel?

There are tiny pockets of this country that assume this is the singular issue that animates everybody, every day, and that it is impossible to believe in both Israel's right to exist and defend itself and the Palestinians' right to not be bombed because the Israeli PM doesn't want to go to jail.

Did you miss the news that they're conducting a genocide?

The lawnmower in question is a big-time donor to the Israel state and the IDF. Regarding the IDF the lawnmover seems to have caught some feelings:

  Through all of the perilous times since Israel’s founding, we have called on the brave men and women of the IDF to defend our home. In my mind, there is no greater honor than supporting some of the bravest people in the world, and I thank Friends of the IDF for allowing us to celebrate and support these soldiers year after year. We should do all we can to show these heroic soldiers that they are not alone.

When Oracle opened a data-center in Jerusalem, his colleague and CEO Safra Katz had this to say :

  ...when you connect with Oracle you understand that we are committed to the U.S. and Israel. We are not flexible regarding our mission, and our commitment to Israel is second to none. This is a free world and I love my employees, and if they don't agree with our mission to support the State of Israel then maybe we aren't the right company for them. Larry (Ellison, co-founder of Oracle) and I are publicly committed to Israel and devote personal time to the country and no one should be surprised by that.

"our commitment to Israel is second to none". Does America fall under [none] here? Something to consider when looking at these acquisitions.

Similarly, when the Trump administration came close to forcing a divestment/shutdown on TikTok in 2020, Americans were 10% of TikTok's user base but 50% of revenue. Of the top 50 most-followed accounts <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_TikTok_a...>, 21 of 49 (not including TikTok itself) are American.

Hostile in what way exactly? What have the actions of hostility been to warrant theft?

If you're a Chinese citizen, use all American services and hardware if you can.

That's strange. It wasn't because China mandates government spyware on phones?

Why do you want to exist in an echo chamber? Suppressing ideas doesn't make them go away.

The modern propaganda machine does not run on meaningful facts, nor does it give a shit about not being able to convince you.

It cares about convincing people in general.

Short form video is tailored for the fast, instinctive, emotional brain. Not the slower, deliberative, logical brain.

I agree, YouTube shorts tends to be noticeably better.

> Boobs, butts, gambling, brain rot, watchbait/ragebait, all that stuf

I don't understand how other people have this experience and I don't. I see targeted ads of course. And every once in a while it starts showing me content for things I don't follow, at which point I start mashing the button they provide to make it go away, and after a handful it pops up something asking if I want to remove all suggested content for a while. I always select yes.

Do other people actually *want* suggested comment? that's bizarre.

The problem is that it's hard to make these things popular.

There are several ActivityPub services that are pretty good and even have decent UXes, but they aren't super active.

A major issue is it's confusing and the funds are limited.

> try and build a thriving decentralized media

This exists today, it has always existed, and you never needed technology to find the solution to it.

Im a huge fan of the film Rope, because it is just done well. Its also got a ton of coding in it for "homosexual" themes that were very much banned at the time of filming. Understanding these paints the film in a whole new way...

Shakespeare has a ton of contemporary satire coded into it. Unless you're aware of history or reading a version that illuminates the meta-context you would very much be unaware of its existence.

It happens in modern film: Paul Verhoeven is a master of it.

If you dont think there are coded communities on existing social platforms sharing information among in members I have news for you.

Yes, indeed. As the current administration, any US administration in the last 30-40 or years in fact, is for a fact very pro-Israel, so a move like this can only cement that stance.

You wrote this as a snarky rebuttal but you seem to be agreeing with OP? Confusing post.

Yes exactly. The US government likes propaganda. They just don't like it when other countries do it.

I’m not a big TikTok user. Can you characterize the nature of the Chinese propaganda everyone keeps citing in reference to TikTok?

It's not a matter of more or less it's a matter of what information you receive and in what order.

The nuance of protocols vs apps though is lost on the masses. Most people just want to stare at reels or be stared at in reels.

This means that the only people you will encounter in protocols will be privacy freak type nerds and “normal” people you might actually feel better interacting with or watching are on popular apps.

Protocols are good- but respectfully at this point fediverse is basically a transgender support group.

No mention of atproto. Obviously Bluesky is nothing to write home about, but do you see some reason why the atproto couldn't be the foundation for something more interesting?

I don't and I'm ok with that. Let's go out and organize and influence the direction of our _communities_ first. No screen needed. That's the level you can impact as an ordinary person.

It makes me immediately suspicious when someone wants to reach _everbody_, that's never good and we shouldn't let them. Ideas will grow if they're good, if you have to spend money to make people listen, they're not.

So, same old, basically. When I was a kid it was the same thing, kids spending all evening watching sitcoms and otherwise-trash TV. I was online on my computer learning programming, audio production, trying different operating systems, playing every game I could get my hands on, as well as chatting with people all over the world & making friends who I'm still friends with today, ingesting media from all over the world as well, completely free of corp/govt propaganda. Kids can still do so, if they choose to skip past the pop culture garbage that is shoved in everyone's faces, just as I did 20-30 years ago.

Like, yeah, it does suck when everyone around you lazily envelops themselves in inane crap. Isn't that just the norm (sad as it is)? I mean, it's a bit worse now that everyone has a propaganda/influence factory in their pocket and they are incentivized to spend untold amounts of time on it, but the same counter-culture mindset that led me to disregard what society was attempting to coerce me into is a mindset that can surely be instilled/reinforced in kids today. I hope >_>

Yeah, you are 100% correct. I need to find him a few good hobbies before I release him to the wolf packs.

I don't know. I myself never sticked to a hobby even after trying a lot of them. Genetically speaking he is a lot like me -- lack of discipline, difficult to cool down, impatient, throw tantrums frequently, etc. The list is pretty long :/ Not many good things from this genetic pool TBH.

It's the best I can do honestly. As another commentater mentioned, what can I do if my son's friends use it extensively? I don't know TBH -- the best I can do is to not give him a smart phone too early and try to grow him some other hobbies before brainrot reaches him.

I think the way they make recommendations are pretty good (looking over my wife's shoulder sometimes). But that's just my guess, I mean, it could just be pushing the next best viewed video from the same tag.

Today I learned! I remember it being sold to a Chinese company a few years ago, didn’t know it went back to US ownership. Ironically just deleted it because even with an Adblocker it’s still unusable with all the bots

And why didn't people get up in arms over that?

Yeah, I don't mind the public profiting if public money and or concessions were made to set up the business. And especially for bailouts!

Is it common for this sort of company, though? I can see public-private partnerships making sense for infrastructure, for example, but a social media company? That just sounds like a way for a country to censor and push propaganda.

That's irrelevant. Did this happen frequently in the US history? The US does not simply adopt France's laws but makes their own for a reason.

> The amazing corruption continues.

Also known as industrial policy. They are inseparable.

As part of Project Texas[1], they've already been using Oracle's infrastructure.

> The central feature of Project Texas is our work with Oracle to isolate the TikTok services serving U.S. users within Oracle’s U.S. cloud environment as an additional safeguard. Although gateways to the storage infrastructure are strictly monitored and controlled, U.S. users of the TikTok platform can still communicate and interact with global users for a cohesive global experience.

[1]https://usds.tiktok.com/usds-about

TikTok has been on Oracle cloud for years. One of its biggest customers.

Vendor lock-in, with a heavy legal implications, is Oracle's bread and butter of operation.

I suspect the legal requirement is for it to be in the US, the Oracle part is probably just because they're the ones investing.

Remember though, it's only bad when the other guy does it. We don't want Chinese government involvement in TikTok, but we do want US government involvement. /s

It's an interesting question, but the information we have so far doesn't seem to be enough to give a meaningful answer yet. E.g. is it something like "one person appointed to oversee the full terms of the transition are kept" or "one person appointed always to make sure TikTok aligns with the government".

I'm not necessarily a fan of either... but to vastly different levels.

Because Trump wants a proxy so he can continue to influence the direction TikTok takes. He wants easier access to data so he can go after his political opponents, as well as get things censored he doesn't like. Of course, this would all be possible without someone on the board, but it can't hurt, and likely will help.

Seems obvious to me that this is so the government can force the platform to silence users who are critical of the government.

>Is there something so overwhelmingly devious about the TikTok format in particular that the government has to supervise it?

Well, yes, for starters. I think there's a pretty strong consensus from people on all sides that there's no more addictive algorithm than the TikTok one.

It's the beneficiary of powerful network effects, it created those effects for itself with a superior app, but nevertheless it is a distinguishing feature. I also would say it's culturally positioned perhaps the best of any major social media app over the present and near term.

And in its current ownership it's required by statute to comply with Chinese national security data requests. And you used to not have to say this, but a culturally dominant app being leveraged by an authoritarian state goes in the not good colunm.

That is a seat reserved for AIPAC.

They don’t want you scrolling through insert_controversial_topic at break neck pace. The bandwidth on TikTok in terms of getting a visual out is extremely wide and fast.

You know the answer lol

> Are we going to be putting government-appointed directors on all social media companies?

That wouldn't be a bad thing. How good has unchecked Zuckerberg been for us, really?

> Or just the one that used-to-be-Chinese?

Or the one where there's some level to force on them, like here. If Zuckerberg starts needing government cash to keep Facebook going, I'd expect a similar deal.

Pushing trad wife and Christ is king content to young people is worth it. Propaganda works.

Wait, so for everyone else this means American content will be off the main app and be contained? If this stems the tide of MAGA brain rot seeping north into Canada it's an absolute win.

Will people just stay with the old app out due to inertia? Or will there be annoying "blocked in your country" type messages until you switch? (at which point you won't know what's been blocked in your country)

>> I wonder if international creator will move to the American TikTok for the better payout.

If I were China I would do this deal and then ensure that the payout is better outside the US. Try to sway US content creators to use VPN's and post outside the US and essentially limit the impact of the deal.

> I wonder if the toxicity of the American culture wars can be contained this way.

Huh? Are you not aware of US social media companies?

Everything that's happening on TikTok is also happening on X, Facebook, Friendster, or whatever the kids are using these days. The only difference is that the TikTok algorithm promotes Chinese propaganda and ideology, and enriches the Chinese government and ByteDance. The US can't have that, hence this deal.

This won't affect the American downward spiral a single iota. That would require strong regulation of social media companies and adtech in general, and there would be a nationwide revolt if that were even proposed. This is far from being considered anyway, now that Big Tech is deeply entrenched in the government.

>I wonder if the toxicity of the American culture wars can be contained this way.

Look at recent events: American government officials want to maintain the same level of toxic culture wars that foreign governments want. They just want to control them, not contain them.

Giving power to the radicals that want division wouldn't have that effect, and it's bizarre to even suggest that it would.

"Hey Claude, please re-write this algorithm"

The law simply requires that the content recommendation algorithm not be shared between the two apps. [0] Thus, it must be rebuilt by the new team, and not maintained or controlled by the old team.

The licensing approach is a temporary solution to keep the app working from day 1. One of ByteDance's complaints during the lawsuit earlier this year was that is was going to be technically infeasible for engineers to rebuild something as complex and essential as the content algorithm in the short window of time they had before the law went into effect.

[0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...

"The term “qualified divestiture” means a divestiture or similar transaction that ... would result in the relevant foreign adversary controlled application no longer being controlled by a foreign adversary; and ... precludes the establishment or maintenance of any operational relationship between [the two apps/teams], including any cooperation with respect to the operation of a content recommendation algorithm or an agreement with respect to data sharing."

We are slowly becoming Communist China.

Won't be long until all companies will be required to have a party office.

Who would have thunk, that a favor would evaporate soon! Isn't this like negotiating 101?

This shit is crazy that it’s really happening. The double whammy is that the youth is not prepared intellectually and will continue contributing their data to this platform.

So Bytedance can still access user data going forward?

It will be interesting to see how this plays out though. People follow the money. Investors wouldn't be interested if they didn't see the value. If the new app can snag the network effects, then it will win. What is TikTok worth without the US audience?

Wait the US version can’t even be called TikTok?

Is the US data accessible to non-US entities? The point right now, as I understood it, is to cut off PRC access to the data completely.

Before: we’re spying on you, but here’s a copy!

After: we’ve moved the spy machine to Ashburn VA, here are the keys.

Reich? You need to check the background of those involved in the deal.

I could see local variants of American data dealers for Europe as well. Facebook without all the privacy issues would be borderline useable, maybe.

I was really disappointed by this. Do Americans have no dignity or ego? Are they so conditioned to fall in line with a leader?

This is a land grab under the guise of "protecting the children"

The split between the US and the rest of the world maybe never was bigger than today

The name "Great Firewall of America" is already taken (and refers to Cloudflare), so we'll have to call this one something else.

Compared to Larry Ellison, Kim Jong-un strikes me as a supreme humanist, a beacon of goodness and generosity.

> They found one of the few organizations

Or, the Org found them! It helps to kiss the ring.

I don't think the average braindead tiktok user who watches choreographies all day long knows / cares / can even spell Oracle.

I know what you will tell me: "but these people vote"... Hum, yes.

Ya, the only comparably worse choices would have been IBM or Salesforce. Also known as the toxic techs.

The delightful world of democracy and free enterprise!

It's sarcasm

To push a pro-Israel agenda. That's why Larry Ellison put Israeli loyalist Bari Weiss in charge of CBS.

Rhetorical devices to get a certain demographic to buy your product.

Open AI, free speech platforms, save the planet, democratize information. At the end of the day, it’s always about power.

Doubt they feel the need to wait. Nobody is going to do anything about it, just like nobody has yet done anything effective about the other blatant corruption. Look at the Saudi “investment” in Trump’s crypto.

Biden? You do realize Trump attempted to “ban” TikTok in his first term when the original Oracle “deal” happened, right? Pinning this in Biden takes some serious mental gymnastics.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/20/914032065/tiktok-ban-averted-...

That's bonus. The real thing is to make tiktok a right-wing ideology machine. I'd rather have the CPC than the GOP at the helm.

I thought Ben Horowitz supported Kamala during the 2024 presidential election.

> but it has been broken repeatedly by the Trump administration

fixed that for you

The bill itself outlines specifically how and why it can be delayed. That was violated in the very first "delay".

And now we see them getting main stream networks on a leash.

Edit: Not to mention universities. It’s crazy how quickly civil institutions are being consolidated by the right. They have gone all in and there appears to be insufficient appetite to stop them.

This has been floating around since the end of the first Trump administration, where neither of these interests were accused of being “pro-Israel” but only entrance narrative after the current Palestine debacle:

Therefore I’m only left to conclude this is an entirely unsubstantiated claim, as why wouldn’t it have already been apparent if they were working as shadow brokers of Israeli interests in all this, which the general timeline and verifiable information we know don’t line up with?

I mean why not unban them too?

Liberal interests ≠ Democrat government

Next time Dems win elections (if that's ever), it will be. Politicians on both sides are happy about this.

Isn't that how it works in China? At least since the 80s. The CCP forces companies to insert their state-backed fund and officials into the cap table. Either through golden shares, forced mergers with state-owned enterprises, or forced equity sales.

Isn't this as bipartisan as it gets? Trump wanted China to divest from Tiktok. Congress passed the bill. Biden signed it. The Supreme Court agreed that, yes, this is legal.

Sure, people didn't vote for Larry Ellison to take control. But something like this is what we wanted, right?

USA is correct. Joe Biden signed the law, and Democrats didnt roll it back