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What's Up with Peter Thiel's Obsession with the Antichrist?

https://newrepublic.com/article/200471/peter-thiel-obsession-antichrist-religion
56•petethomas•2h ago

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bagels•1h ago
Autobiographical?
matttproud•1h ago
He's spent too much time huffing Alexander Dugin's flatulence. It's no different to how revanchist parties in the United States these days characterize their battle against their (domestic) enemies. Just a rhetorical foil.
mingus88•1h ago
It’s also another example of someone who believes their success in one narrow area makes them an authority in everything else

There are few people alive who are less fit to lecture us on matters of theology and morality than Peter Thiel.

palmfacehn•1h ago
Comedian Tim Dillon had some amusing, less partisan takes on this. His style is often an ironic parody of the self-serious. Yet another case of a comedian being more reasonable than the journalist classes.

The author loses the high-ground where he frames it as a kind of irrational hysteria. It isn't that the satanic panic wasn't irrational, but that the partisan media's framing of their opponents is generally irrational. I kind of checked out where he invoked national socialism.

Introspective analysis would go much further here. A movement that constantly berates the out-group, while celebrating themselves and the inclusive and tolerant ones - The hypocrisy is the least of the problems. The impotence is more off-putting.

There's very little these partisan journos can do to change their opponents, who have tuned them out completely. There's little or nothing they can do to reform their own positions or methods while they claim the mantle of righteousness. What's left is doubling down on even more partisan zealotry.

It doesn't inform us. It divides us.

arghandugh•1h ago
Ah! It is because he is insane, insulated from any real world feedback by his obscene wealth, and stupid and incurious by nature. I hope this helps!
danparsonson•1h ago
Indeed - "why does <billionaire> do <incomprehensible thing>?" is a question that more or less answers itself.
palmfacehn•1h ago
Why does [demonized out group] do [something I cannot understand] ?

Because you have to reframe the question with empathy.

OccamsMirror•51m ago
Big Gavin Belson vibes: https://youtu.be/t5zQpN28xa4?si=eWCIDOEWGMxPt1Wy
text0404•11m ago
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musk-offered-horse-to-f...

What's the empathetic framing for this one?

rapsey•1h ago
You can call him many things but calling him stupid, is pretty stupid.
ksynwa•1h ago
What happened to his face?
comrade1234•1h ago
He always looked wonky.
skellington•1h ago
It's not literal.

It says directly in the article:

"...defined the practice of politics as a struggle against an existential enemy, arguing that politics is just religion in disguise." and "human societies tend to spiral toward violence in a hunt for scapegoats."

The antichrist idea is metaphor that he likes.

sigmoid10•46m ago
For anyone believing he might be a sane person after reading this, consider this part:

>He even named a suspect: Greta Thunberg.

It's insane how much hatred industrialists and boomers in general seem to focus on a kid who's fed up with their bullshit and tried to rally up other kids. I guess subconsciously they believe this mindset threatens their wealth so much that they can literally compare it to the antichrist.

pryce•1h ago
stop being interested in the content of what Peter Thiel is saying, and start being interested in the social and political function of what he is saying.

Content: Antichrist, prophecies, futurism; nothing that holds a truth value. Antichrist prophecies have been well established for hundreds of years as making coded gematria claims about Nero Caesar, a mother-murdering tyrannical ruler of the foreign empire that had recently destroyed the Second Temple ~79CE by the time John of Patmos was bitterly writing in ~95CE. "Nero Caesar" transliterated from Greek ('nrwn qsr') into Hebrew and added up using standard gematria gives 666. "Nero Caesar" transliterated from Latin ('nrw qsr') to Hebrew and added up gives 616, which appears in the earliest manuscripts. It's so plain and so obviously concerned with contemporary political goals of the author as to be almost boring.

Social Function: What is the social and political function achieved by Peter Thiel doing this in today's environment, styling himself as a Prophet of 'antichrist' matters?

It provides a swift pathway to an important role in unifying and binding himself to the anti-democratic theocratic Dominionists which he currently has little influence over, alongside the existing base that he already has vast influence over: the antidemocratic faction of the tech industry. By achieving a role unifying and consolidating power over the two major antidemocratic power blocs - both of which have built in tools of vast social influence (religion, social media), Peter Thiel aspires to place himself in a position of staggering influence atop a worldwide upheaval that is demolishing democratic power structures further every day.

I really think greater fluency in religion and in politics and history would help tech workers equip themselves resist be manipulated and controlled this way.

For the other bloc - the religious bloc being fished here- it has been fertile ground for grifters for decades now, so I hold very little hope that the theocrats (and in particular the New Apostolic Reformation crowd) have any hope of applying the appropriate scrutiny to Thiel's "prophetic religious claims" to allow that bloc to identify and somehow resist this cynical and dystopian power-play.

Further details:

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1n9djkf/peter_thie...

scrubs•56m ago
Totally agree: what is the objective or payoff to thiel's behavior?

As i say above the antichrist was on the way according to my parent's church a bunch of times in the 80s which is obvious twaddle. So either Thiel is a dilletant of bs because he's a moron (so why listen?) or there's a hidden objective.

comrade1234•1h ago
I'm currently enjoying a book that seems to be a mix of fiction and non-fiction that gives a history of satan in theology - the character has changed a lot in the last 4000 years.

The title is "the devil's best trick" and the premise is that the satan has tricked us into no longer believing in supernatural evil.

I personally don't believe in god and supernatural evil but this book has given me nightmares which is something I haven't experienced for decades.

anthk•26m ago
Once you read about Paleontology religious nightmares crumble into dust as they can't support themselves against physical evidence.

Also, if you think about it, the Chinese, Hindi, you Americans themselves from Canada to the Patagonia, Japanese.. didn't know about Jesus for millenia and they it did pretty fine without any major issues.

scrubs•1h ago
I was raised in a fundamentalist evangelical household where speaking in tongues (spirit) and all realted new testament stuff was done. Also involved: the second coming, anti-Christ, books of Daniel and Revelations. They took it literally.

Through my teens there were three distinct e.g. during AIDs onset for one my parent's church pushed the second coming as imminent which meant there was triple emphasis on being saved ... man oh man what an emotional and intellectually distorting time that was.

I ended church by 17 and never looked back.

Extended focus in that mind set also tends to lead to a kind of short-termism: if God is going enact the final judgement why bother about tomorrow? It is a very, very strange business to live through.

gabriel666smith•46m ago
I think that sometimes we forget the fact that famous people have regular people brains under their famous skin.

I knew a guy who, hitting fifty or so, with more time on his hands, got really into collecting the wrappers of "Tunnock's Tea Cakes", which are a confectionary product housed in elegant gold packaging. Other people get into horse racing, or MLM scams, or - very, very frequently - history.

It is interesting that Thiel has become more interested in 'the antichrist', given a lot of people would cast him as such. But if I was a billionaire, and my new hobby was religious history - particularly the idea of "the antichrist" - there is absolutely no way I wouldn't be using my money to hold conferences about it and shit like that. I mean, wouldn't you, about your thing, were you a billionaire? He's a gigantic nerd like the rest of us.

Maybe it's an edgy, mid-life-crisis, "I'm so scary" emo pose - in a kind of Hot Topic way. Or maybe Thiel is actually the antichrist, or trying to summon him. Or whatever. But, usually, when a person does this sort of thing, it's usually just because they're interested in it and have the time.

You can take the bad-faith, more exciting view of it, obviously. Or - and this is arguably more embarrassing for Thiel, I think - see it as what it likely is: The hobby a middle-aged man might choose when his obscene wealth meant you would need a really, really, really large amount of Tunnock's Tea Cake wrappers - perhaps the whole company - to scratch the same relative itch.

SilverElfin•45m ago
I don’t know about Thiel specifically, but since the Charlie Kirk assassination, I’ve noticed many on the right have suddenly become a lot more religiously political rather than just political. For example they are now talking about Christian values being the foundation of the country or how different cultures (like Chinese or Indian or Latino) aren’t compatible with a Christian society and its norms or whatever. I see this on YouTube and social media. It’s strange seeing the theological twist on political topics suddenly become central, and also the religious supremacist tones. I wonder if Thiel’s adjacency to those groups is also the cause of his use of the Antichrist metaphor.
anthk•33m ago
>Latino, not Christian...

500 years ago these people would be burnt at the stake in seconds... jk.

If any, Hispanic cultures from Catholic backgrounds are ideologically far more Christian (the society comes first, the individual are struggles are secondary, community bound families and friends...) than any mega-selfish Evangelical cult idolizing money. Inb4 'The Vatican it's loaded' yes, we know it, but the closest members to the society are far more humble than these wackos holding millions in megachurches.

I'm not a Catholic myself but of course I'm a cultural byproduct of it.

SilverElfin•18m ago
It’s possible the evangelical Christians in America simply hold racist views against these groups and are trying to popularize that intolerance but with a religious or moral justification. To be honest I don’t really know, since I am not around evangelicals often. Mostly I’m just surprised to see the rhetoric in the open.
floppiplopp•19m ago
Is it autobiographical?

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