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Alibaba's New AI Chip Unveiled: Key Specifications Comparable to H20

https://news.futunn.com/en/post/62202518/alibaba-s-new-ai-chip-unveiled-key-specifications-comparable-to
36•dworks•2h ago

Comments

pixelesque•41m ago
Note also that today China has told its tech companies to cancel any NVIDIA AI chip orders and not to order any more:

https://www.ft.com/content/12adf92d-3e34-428a-8d61-c91695119...

rapsey•35m ago
Chinese tech dominance is inevitable and anything the US tries to do to contain it will just hasten the inevitable.
narrator•34m ago
Dialectical Materialism much?
smokefoot•32m ago
Chinese semiconductor dominance is not imminent and US containment has been somewhat effective. I don’t think that will hold on a generational timeline, but it will be hard to overcome.
rapsey•13m ago
Semiconductor lead is inevitably going to fall within the decade. So will the military hopes of ever protecting Taiwan.
pjmlp•5m ago
See Huawei and Xiaomi everywhere else outside US, or how encryption standards went down in the days of PGP book with the printed code.
glimshe•4m ago
We've heard that about Japan in the 80s. While China is a mighty competitor, they also have structural problems they don't hesitate to sweep under the rug. The jury is out there about whether China can take a meaningful lead in any major technological field the US and Europe are actively invested in.
MaoSYJ•13m ago
“grey market” smugglers gonna keep working on it
cedws•35m ago
Apparently DeepSeek’s new model has been delayed due to issues with the Huawei chips they’re using. Maybe raw floating point performance of Chinese chips is competitive with NVIDIA, but clearly there’s still a lot of issues to iron out.
elp•24m ago
I'm sure there are LOTS of issues that need to be addressed, but the demand for the chips are so high that the incentives are overwhelmingly in favor of this continuing. If the reported margins on the Nvidia chips are as high as the claims make it out to be (73+% ??) this will easily find a world wide market.

It was also frustratingly predictable from the moment the US started trying to limit the sales of the chips. America has slowed the speed of Chinese AI development by a tiny number of years, if that, in return for losing total domination of the GPU market.

smokefoot•16m ago
I mean, I don’t know how long the NVIDIA moats can hold. With this much money at stake, others will challenge their dominance especially in a market as diverse and fragmented as advanced semiconductors.

That’s not to say I’m brave enough to short NVDA.

dworks•7m ago
"Your margin is my opportunity" as someone said. Certainly Google must have plans to sell its chips externally with this much up for grabs?
xbmcuser•4m ago
google has already started offering its TPUs to other neocloud providers
mrktf•3m ago
As long as only TMSC is only top performance chip producer and it is possible to reserve all it manufacturing capacity for one two clients the NVIDIA will hold without problem...

My opinion, the problems for NVIDIA will start when China ramp up internal chip manufacturing performance enough to be in same order of magnitude as TMSC.

notfried•24m ago
If CUDA isn't that strong of a moat/tie-in and Chinese tech companies can seemingly reasonably migrate to these chips, why hasn't AMD been able to compete more aggressively with nVidia on a US/global scale when they had a much longer head start?
eunos•13m ago
Because Cuda moat in China is wrecked artificially by political reason rather than technical reason
chii•9m ago
AMD probably don't have chinese state backing, presumably, where profit is less of a concern and they can do it unprofitably for many years (decades even) as long as the end outcome is dominance.
dworks•7m ago
Most chipmakers in China are making or have made their new generation of products CUDA-compatible.
brookst•4m ago
1. AMD isn’t different enough. They’d be subject to the same export restrictions and political instability as Nvidia, so why would global companies switch to them?

2. CUDA has been a huge moat, but the incentives are incredibly strong for everybody except Nvidia to change that. The fact that it was an insurmountable moat five years ago in a $5B market does not mean it’s equally powerful in a $300B market.

3. AMD’s culture and core competencies are really not aligned to playing disruptor here. Nvidia is generally more agile and more experimental. It would have taken a serious pivot years ago for AMD to be the right company to compete.

torginus•9m ago
There's a very important point made in the article - with recent export controls, domestic Chinese firms don't need to beat Nvidia's best, but only the cut-down chips cleared for Chinese export.
jarym•5m ago
One of these headlines in the next few months will spark a US market selloff greater than what we saw on the initial DeepSeek release.

I believe about 1000 S&P points down - to just above the trade war lows from April.

Jane Austen's Playlist

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/arts/music/jane-austen-music.html
1•bookofjoe•35s ago•0 comments

Imposter Game – Ultimate Online Word Deception Experience

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DeepResearch: Tongyi DeepResearch, the Leading Open-Source DeepResearch Agent

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Gaia-X project doesn't have a future, claims Nextcloud boss

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2•dworks•9m ago•0 comments

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2•dworks•12m ago•0 comments

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Ask HN/PG: Is the average screen resolution good enough for serif fonts yet?

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