outsourcing is hardly something new.
Yet, I see some startups whining and about this on X and other places.
If you really want to say that you're "hiring the best" or you want to "hire the world class best talent" then you would hire the best american engineers or pay the fee for overseas talent.
No excuses.
I can't for the life of me understand why some startups say "we need skills" and "we only hire the best" then choose a way cheaper talent via H1B overseas rather than train or hire a an Ivy / Stanford recent CS grad.
Thats all.
Then there should be no complaints from startups and founders about paying the $100K H1B fee for overseas talent.
Looking at this a little more deeply, the biggest issue is American labor is getting underpriced. What's causing that? Well, for starters there's the cost of an American education. The employee is looking at that as an investment and they expect a good ROI.
The second is inflated lifestyle expectations. That's been a big problem in America since the 90s. People aren't just living beyond their means, they're living well beyond their means - and just like the billionaires, they want more.
The result is we have recent college graduates expecting nice six-figure salaries. It's easy to offshore that. The growing trend now is to offshore to South America so you don't have to deal with the time zone shifts. You always have to remember there's someone a wee bit hungrier than you who is willing to work a wee bit more for a bit less. That's the person your employer wants.
This is what happens when you treat people like commodities, and you worship the market and money as your lord and savior.
India has about 70 million college graduates, which is a lot, but only a bit more than half have the skills to be employable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/degree-vs...
We already have evidence that Indian consulting agencies, among the largest recipients of h1bs, are discriminating against American employees: https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/09/us_jury_cognizant_cas... https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/...
I can understand why maybe Japanese wouldn’t want to leave their homeland. But if these workers are the cream of the crop, the compensation in America should be such that we could hoover up top candidates from the former soviet union.
India has 1/8th of the planets population. China is another 1/8th.
Obviously, Americans don't need H1B visas, and you are going to see more visa's coming from developing countries.
India's common language is English, they can easily communicate and get hired by American companies because of this.
Considering this, should it be a surprise they are such a significant part of the H1B program?
It isn't that 70% of the smartest people, though, they also have a great education system, it's 70% of the people that companies can assimilate into their environments are coming from India.
Perhaps the system could be overhauled to have an India specific visa and not group everyone in together?
Also, as a Canadian, another large immigrant population in the US, most of us don't come into the states under H1Bs because TN (and possibly other Visa's) are quite a bit easier.
Also, Trump’s support disproportionately comes from white americans, who perform among the best in international assessments: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/18bzkle/2022_pi.... They’re right between Korea and Japan.
That all said, America needs to bring up its test scores, https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scor....
I worry the pipeline is being tailored to pick up people with Olympiad-heavy educations at the expense of recruiting our local talent and creativity. And the more people are recruited from one such pipeline, the more biased its interview process becomes towards that style. (Not to say there's no overlap.)
mensetmanusman•1h ago
This fee is a great compromise between the various parties fighting over this.
Putting a dollar amount on a disagreement is vastly easier for negotiations than words that can be interpreted depending on the time of day and week.