Remember the time that Biden canceled Gutfeld! and everyone went crazy about it? What about the time that Biden just gave himself the magical ability to tariff the rest of the world based on whimsy? What about all of the violence from those awful leftists every time some MAGA chud wore a "Let's go, Brandon!" shirt or put a sticker of Biden hog-tied and gagged on their back of their chudmobile?
The important thing here is that you are awful people. I'm saying that based on the lack of morals, empathy, and basic human decency that has become the calling card of American regressives.
If you actually care, which I doubt you do, there have been studies measuring the total damage done during many left wing riots.
For just one example the total cost for the riots that happened between May 26 to June 8, 2020, across 20 states was around 1-2 billion dollars, according to reports.
https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
It is riots like those mentioned that I presume this executive order is targeting.
January 6th damage was estimated at $2.7 billion dollars by the GAO. That riot (more of an attempted coup) actually was coordinated by actual, tangible right wing extremist groups rather than the shadowy "Antifa" fiction that hides underneath all of your beds.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-106625.pdf
>It is riots like those mentioned that I presume this executive order is targeting.
You presume? This administration has lost the benefit of any doubt. This is a cabal of shameless liars and they should be denounced at every turn.
This is yet another transparent attempt to circumvent basic American rights and you're defending it like I said something mean about your local sports team.
The name "Antifa" has similar implications, while similarly missing the mark.
But the blame is not 100% on the authoritarians. The „we’ll refuse to do anything about your living conditions so you’ll radicalise and vote in somebody radical” is part of the cycle too.
But nowadays... It seems to be used by anyone who does not like a group. Like when people overuse the word narcissist to the point it just means "asshole as perceived by the observer".
No. Fascism is fascism.
I'd recommend reading Umberto Eco's "Ur-Fascism" if you are interested in learning.
Stop behaving like a kid. Politics exists as an alternative to violence. If you going to punch people on the street don't complain when you and your friends are under a boot.
I'm not behaving like a kid, I just prefer if people don't whitewash what fascism means, like you did in your previous comment (but not in this one). Muddying the term only helps fascists, whether on purpose or inadvertently.
Have a good day.
Does it? Or does it call for the Trump administration to be overthrown?
That was apparently fine, but antifa calling for it (if that even happened) is terrorism?
Politicians call for governments to resign/quit etc on a regular basis. Happened here in New Zealand last week.
From an outsider’s perspective they ARE asking for a democratically elected government to be overthrown.
It's not even frightening - just comical.
The “terrorist” designation of drug cartels is the excuse they’re using (and currently getting away with) for the 4 boats they’ve bombed into oblivion in the Caribbean.
It’s kind of funny in its stupidity. But it’s also frightening how impactful that stupidity has been.
1. The concept of "domestic terrorist organization" not a thing under any US law. Further, there exists no such organization in observable reality.
2. "All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations" is … nothing, because that's what federal law enforcement is already charged with.
2. Not incoherent. Seems pretty specific: All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations.
It is the sitting president of the United States stating that a political ideology that stands against fascism is illegal and directing the executive - the most powerful and only functional branch of the government under the GOP "unitary executive policy" - to take punitive actions against this thought crime.
True, there are groups that have claimed to be anti-fascist and have protested the administration's actions. But much of this activity has been spontaneous rather than organized. The word "Antifa" is more of a derogatory term from the right than a term used by an organized group with countable members.
Because of the fuzziness of what Antifa actually is and who counts as a member, this EO gives the federal government the ability to label people as domestic terrorists using a very broad definition. Given this administration's habit of pushing the bounds of its interpretive authority, I worry that this will have a chilling effect on protected political speech and protest.
Can you notify them that they don't exist?
If they think it is an actual organization, then they’re confused and acting based on memes. It would be incompetence backed by the full force of the US government.
If they know it’s not an actual organization, then this is a ruse to slap federal prison time on protesters, if they’ve ever liked a blog post calling for the dismantling of fascism, etc.
A lot of people don't have any problem saying that this is wrong. They just don't want the discussion to be here. They aren't fascists, or working on behalf of fascists. They just want HN to not be the all-politics-all-the-time channel that it seems to threaten to become.
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