To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.
But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlying cultural groups.
>That was then. Now, I wouldn't dream of it. London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
Unambiguously referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London, 2001 census 60% of London was white British, 36% in 2021.
Do we know the actual breakdown?
> But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlying cultural groups.
If it is not gradual and you have Y and Z beside X, is when trouble start. Middle East and lot of African countries is the example of this. Those people where unable to live together (too many cultural differences) in their home country, why should be different in Europe, where cultural differences will be even higher ?
to that end, i think arguments for or against different degrees of immigration are valid and worth engaging (as opposed to shunning under false labels).
That’s true in some parts of the world. But the opposite idea — that the people who’ve lived somewhere for thousands of years have no moral claim to their inheritance over the people who just arrived — has been equally destructive in other parts.
> one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlying cultural groups.
That’s a bad thing, is it? Is diversity not their strength?
Most Irish people would not take kindly to be called British, but then there’s Northern Ireland with all its complexities.
I'm Scots, not British. Roughly 50% of us support independence from the UK.
We don't know what a white person is. No idea, no clue. Where could we even start?
Funnily enough, though, those considerations never seem to apply to Palestinians, native Americans, indigenous Australians, etc. There is only a certain group that is somehow impossible to define precisely, yet is the primary target of those considerations.
Title is: Plan Vert - an open letter to the Rails Core team and Ruby community
They're already starting with the wrong incentive which is not to improve the thing but to spite someone.
If you think rails is worth forking, fork it.
If you think it shouldn’t be used, don’t use it.
If you can’t be around a diversity of viewpoints, especially opinions that offend you, then get out of the kitchen.
It’s so typical of these people to wish everyone else to build the future they believe they deserve.
Do the work, or go to hell.
As for trying to unseat the Rails founder and BDFL, no chance.
For a political action, the blowback has been several thousand-fold larger than the support. So far I’ve seen the tailwind creator, shopify ceo, reactjs creator, creator of ladybird browser, writer of pragmatic engineer, many prominent people in the rails community, and so many others speak out against this fork.
The letter (more like a resume blacklist) has shown that the Overton window has shifted enough to where people can comfortably and publicly call out obviously dumb nonsense.
"We do not want to restrict DHH's freedom of speech, he can write and say what he likes. However, free speech is not "freedom from the consequences of that speech", and we as a community are completely free not to associate with people who hold views we find abhorrent."
I get it. Basically, "I don't want to associate with assholes". That's not unreasonable.
"We do not want to restrict DHH's freedom of speech, he can write and say what he likes. However, free speech is not "freedom from the consequences of that speech", and we as a community are completely free not to associate with people who hold views we find abhorrent."
I get it. Basically, "I don't want to associate with assholes". That's not unreasonable.
It’s fucked how normalized this sort of “Britain/US for Whites” rhetoric has become over the last few years. London is and always will be a global city. And praising Tommy Robinson as some sort of hero surely involves a degree of brain damage.
Also what is your opinion on gentrification?
> You survived the Blitz. Britain will be back.
It’s pretty clear that the author thinks that Britain is at war and that the “invaders” are not real Brits, regardless of their legal status. Given the political coalition that DHH seems to proudly support, I assume he would be in favor of “remigration” (forceful expulsion of non-whites) just like Musk and others in these circles.
This is all just very faintly disguised racism.
FWIW, if someone wrote an article talking about how they respect London’s diversity, and how immigrants bring value to the country, but that the ratio of native to immigrant feels off, I would at least respect that (while disagreeing).
minimaxir•4mo ago
I get that GitHub Issues for controversial repos tends to invite trolls, but "discuss this in all the usual places" guarantees there will be no traction.
cocoricamo•4mo ago
srid•4mo ago
https://github.com/Plan-Vert/open-letter/pull/32
minimaxir•4mo ago
archagon•4mo ago
ilikehurdles•4mo ago
you are not ready for what's coming
archagon•4mo ago