Wonderful except that soon that phone won't work for anything official in europe because it won't pass play integrity attestation that brussels wants to be the only gateway to certification of devices.
matheusmoreira•57m ago
Yeah. Remote attestation, "certification" of devices in general, should be illegal. Anything short of that and computer freedom is lost, everything the word "hacker" stands for will be destroyed.
M95D•43m ago
Is it so difficult to have a separate phone for gov & bank apps only?
zb3•39m ago
We can't let Google get away with bundling their spyware in the name of security into a phone we must now have..
It's NOT ok that a government app (often practically mandatory) requires the user to accept some invasive ToS of a foreign corporation maintaining an illegal monopoly.
Requiring attestation doesn't mean Google spyware should be unremovable without breaking it, Google's business model should not be mandated by the law.
charcircuit•13m ago
It's not a law to only trust Google's attestations.
lomase•34m ago
Difficult? Not at all, but it annoying at least.
like_any_other•24m ago
The problem is not that it's difficult, the problem is that it makes phones that are not locked against their users commercially dead - a money losing venture for any manufacturer. Because most people simply won't bother with two phones.
rolph•11m ago
[delayed]
zb3•1h ago
If GrapheneOS won't plan on supporting that it means it's not as secure as advertised.
joemazerino•1h ago
No, it means the phone isn't suitable for security maximalists. GrapheneOS doesn't support any hardware except the Pixels.
Bender•55m ago
And that's even assuming one cares about the secure enclave. I am not convinced that any phones exist that one can not unlock the enclave via JTAG debugging.
SoftTalker•7m ago
For most devices, if you have that kind of physical access, and enough technical resources, all bets are off. Most people's threat model doesn't include three-letter-agencies reading their secure enclave. If yours does, you're probably better off not carrying a phone at all.
taneliv•1h ago
Hey, I learned something. I knew of Fairphone, but I didn't know they had kill switches. The device might be out of my budget, but it seems promising.
euroderf•49m ago
> One is a hardware switch that cuts circuit power to the cameras and microphones
How great might be the threat of using its speakers as microphones ?
bumseltagbaerbi•39m ago
Blala, 1k electronics shit that won't potentially do calls reliably or BT with cars etc.
fcpk•1h ago
matheusmoreira•57m ago
M95D•43m ago
zb3•39m ago
It's NOT ok that a government app (often practically mandatory) requires the user to accept some invasive ToS of a foreign corporation maintaining an illegal monopoly.
Requiring attestation doesn't mean Google spyware should be unremovable without breaking it, Google's business model should not be mandated by the law.
charcircuit•13m ago
lomase•34m ago
like_any_other•24m ago
rolph•11m ago