And presumably they also have doctors and even lawyers in the CCP! Come to think of it, I wonder if China is not actually run by lawyers as well...
jack ma got a modern day "re-education" tailored to his specific circumstsnces, but as always in these situations the offer is "lead? or gold? your choice!"
As I understand it, the cultural revolution was mainly about young people running amok and victimizing teachers and authority figures. All orchestrated by Mao so he could cling to power. What did it have to do with technology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin%2C_Criticize_Con...
It's always good to learn how other cultures govern themselves. China learned a lot from the US and other countries, adapted, and then benefitted immensely. In the US, we can learn a lot too.
Alas, American exceptionality as part of its premise precludes any act of learning from anywhere other than itself. Culturally, this is what inbreeding looks like.
On the other hand, DOGE didn't go a great job running America.
The goal was never to save money. The deficit is the largest its ever been.
Even if they had taken an extra month to learn the systems they were cutting into, would've saved many months of wasted employee-hours with what happened.
Engineers are builders - not cost cutters.
Anyone can be a cost cutter. The reason China is ahead is that they're building like crazy. They made and continue making long term capital investments in education, infrastructure, and energy. Guaranteed success. US is basically all in on AI right now for anything long term, and it's not even clear that AI will be something that will be a net benefit to the middle or working classes.
Don't mean to sound like a doomed or China glazer, but if the AI calls don't print when the debt collectors come knocking, it's gonna be serious trouble.
So I guess they’re doing something right.
And when you understand that the american government is controlled by corporations, given the above logic that really means it is controlled by their lawyers. Most politicians in representative government come from law backgrounds as well.
I like to think that the job of the president is to take care of the nation’s business so most of the rest of us can get on with our lives, but Trump demands constant attention, and he continually invents emergencies which prevent us from being able to just go about our existence in peace.
The never-ending narcissistic distraction is exhausting.
The people responsible for taking those options and making the choices they do... business and finance.
This is kind of the criticism that’s provided in Abundance. American Progressives intentionally made it extremely difficult to build anything by giving everyone a veto to block anything they don’t like.
There’s a lot of people on the Left (Center Left, at least) who want to revisit this approach and make it easier to build things again.
I also want to note that they point out that the current administration has a policy of scarcity. Even if we get rid of a lot of regulation, tariffs, deportations, and high government deficits make it hard to buy materials, hire labor, and finance projects.
Great, I guess then it won’t be too difficult to name ..say.. five prominent politicians who have made this stance clear?
(Not coincidentally, those are all less dense places, with less public transit and infrastructure, than the well-known progressive states and cities.)
Unpopular plans to dramatically reshape urban cities led to “freeway revolts” (organized, grassroots opposition to freeway projects, which sometimes succeeded) and increased local input over planning. The second was brought on by environmental crises in the 1960s, such as badly polluted rivers and the famous oil spill near Santa Barbara. California, especially its coastal areas, was quite affected by both drivers of NIMBYism, and this became the dominant way of thinking from the 1970s onward.
Local control over neighborhoods sounds reasonable, but unfortunately it’s led to neighborhoods being museum pieces that do not scale upwards to meet demand, thus incentivizing urban sprawl. Restricting development had also significantly boosted the property values in those areas. However, urban sprawl directly conflicts with environmental goals, since it requires more transportation infrastructure and more energy to move people across longer distances than across shorter distances. Thus, we end up with situations where homes get built in far-flung exurbs whose politicians support growth (until the towns get large enough to where some residents want to halt growth to “preserve our quality of life,” thus pushing development to the next closest area friendly to development), environmentalists blocking road-widening and other infrastructure-improving efforts in an attempt to stop/discourage the sprawl, and NIMBYs blocking the construction of denser housing near job centers that could have provided affordable alternatives to exurban housing.
This has been the story of California since the 1970s, and the obscene housing prices and unsustainable mega-commutes are a result of this. Thankfully more people are seeing the consequences of 50 years of broken housing policy, and we’re finally seeing some efforts, even if they’re baby steps, to address this.
Take some kind of government procurement, say to buy a truck. The truck ends up being a pretense for all sorts of political things like regional development or righting some perceived historical inequality, doing an environmental study, subsidising some industry that's not doing well. Nobody cares about actually getting the truck.
I can imagine a world where they just buy the best truck and don't try to make it a pretext for wealth redistribution and solving all the worlds problem, but I've never seen it.
Multiply this by every single things the government spends money on (and in canada the oligopolies as well) and you see why nothing happens.
It is reaction to the old situation when interests of a small guy were completely tramped by the big guys - ie. the situation of private profits, public losses. And we can't go back to it.
The first step to move forward is to give everybody, whose interests are negatively impacted by a project, a stake in the project's benefits/profits. Ie. private profits - private losses, and public losses - public profits.
If you're speaking of the Democrats, they've been following the Neoliberalist playbook to the letter for decades: deregulate businesses, defund social programs, reduce taxes. This (the housing crisis) is the direct result of their half-competent technocratic stewardship of the economy. (And let's not spare the actually malevolent Republicans from sharing the blame in turning this land from an actual country into a billionaire's playground).
This "Abundance" movement is to be taken as a rebranding of the same tired and destructive Neoliberalist policies, and nothing else. It is ported by the same old people and politicians that have been slowly running this country to the ground. There is absolutely nothing new to be found in their manifestos: deregulate businesses, defund social programs, reduce taxes.
Housing can either be affordable or an investment vehicle, but not both at the same time. Actual leftists understand this very basic premise, but the astroturfed Abundance "movement" remains blind to it. Left-wing populism is slowly gaining ground in the face of an extremely complacent and ineffective Democratic establishment, and Abundance is a last-ditch effort to sold democratic voters on the same garbage they've been eating since the 1980s.
Their proximate goals are to break the remaining unions and environmental protections we have, in service of the 'free market' which definitely is real and important. They want to give up on 'social issues' like access to reproductive care, medicare for all, and supporting the marginalized.
The speaker list includes the AEI, The Manhatten Institute, R street, Niskanen Center, etc...
American Leftists and Progressives do not hold power and the 'barriers' that abundance claims exist were put in place by those with power, not AOC or Zohran or whatever local cabal they point to in the book. Cherry-picking Austin as their exemplar is worth its own comment, but the book is frustrating across the board.
Klein has missed every moment of late and I expect the trend to continue.
Regardless, if your primary critique on a lawless and deeply authoritarian administration is their 'policy of scarcity', then you have utterly lost the plot. Mussolini made Italians grow and eat rice to induce a feeling of scarcity, there is no doubt, but that is not anyone's primary critique of his tyranny.
But it's quite possible that the rule of law, capitalism, freedom, democracy, western institutions, etc. is what allows engineers to build stuff.
Technology advances when it is financed.
(For instance, China wants to build best-in-world industry and infra, which they didn't have before, but they are not running their government in a growth- or building- engineering-driven sense. Not a lot of move-fast-and-break-things iteration there! Lots of people comfortable and protective of that system.)
The West is run by finance capital, which employs the lawyers (and buys the politicians).
There was a post here a while back about engineering grads in the UK who couldn't get engineering jobs. So they ended up working for quant firms and banks instead.
Under neoliberalism the economy ends up oriented away from productive activity and toward rent-seeking and wealth transfers. Hence the growing gambling "industry", the pump and dump crypto scams (run by heads of state, no less), the legally protected private cartels like banking and medicine. We get people like Vivek Ramaswamy who became a billionaire while producing nothing of value.
Pinning these massive systemic issues on lawyers is frankly stupid. They are just one piece of the puzzle.
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to...
immediately comes to mind
You can make a lot of arguments in this debate, but in terms of speed and execution, there’s a clear winner.
But I would probably say America is run by mbas, not lawyers.
At the core, solving any problem really follows the same pattern: first you figure out what the problem is, then you set up a way to measure it, come up with a possible solution, and test it against your measurement. If it works, keep going. If it doesn’t, try something else. The key is just running this loop quickly enough. This process applies no matter what kind of problem you’re tackling — engineering or social issues.
The US has this loop at the company level. China has this loop at the local government level.
The central government decides what the goals are and how they are measured, and then the local governments carry out the implementation. Local officials who perform well against that measure get promoted.
If the U.S. really also wants to build this kind of feedback loop at the government level, voters need to judge election candidates based on their track record, not just campaign rhetoric. And for that to happen, you will need an educated population base with critical thinking skills.
I do want to add that China has been operating this way for thousands of years. It's not without problem,s however- like the old saying goes when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.
For example, GDP used to be the main measure of success. That led local governments to chase higher GDP numbers at all costs—regardless of whether the projects were actually practical or useful. This is leads to overbuilding, unnecessary construction etc.
bearjaws•1h ago
I learned today Chuck Grassley plans to run again and would be 95 years old in congress. This is insane.
If you've worked retail you know many above 75 are not all there, plain and simple.
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025...
bdangubic•1h ago
delusional•1h ago
nomadygnt•1h ago
metabagel•50m ago
bearjaws•43m ago
femiagbabiaka•55m ago
vladms•51m ago
Not sure what is the solution, but if people say they would prefer younger "options" and they don't materialize on the ballots, that is a sign that the system does not work as intended.
bushbaba•36m ago
ricardobeat•57m ago
rusk•47m ago
Had to double check the dates on Churchill - very impressive
hermitcrab•41m ago
"In 1953, during his second stint as prime minister, Winston Churchill had a stroke after dinner. “No one seemed alarmed by [his] slurred speech and unsteadiness on his feet, one of the advantages of having a reputation for enjoying alcohol,” writes Andrew Roberts, a historian. For several weeks, as Churchill was incapable of governing, his son-in-law and private secretary in effect ran the country. He never fully recovered, yet refused to stand down until 1955, when he was 80. " https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/07/03/senility-in-hi...
regularization•34m ago
Picasso's output in his last 20 years is not considered in the same way as his previous work.
roenxi•37m ago
If the plan is to reduce the reach of Washington to Virginia and DC then Churchill would be a great choice of leader and if that is the explicit goal then ok sure. If the plan is to maintain a peaceful status quo as a powerful and successful country people like Churchill in the leadership are a very bad sign indeed.
You have to assume the UK had no power to influence its internal or world affairs to conclude that its political class were competent through the last century. Which is a crazy stance given where they were in the early 1900s.
jordanb•1h ago
Parts of the Republican party are too of course (hence Grassley) but it's been the target of several successful insurgencies. First the tea party and then Trump. Now it's turning into something completely different.. a cult of personalty for a dictator.
But the intact machine is the reason why the Democrats can not rise to the occasion. Their whole system is one designed to produce dour grey apparatchiks.
regularization•31m ago
regularization•1h ago
AnimalMuppet•37m ago
ourmandave•1h ago
Yeesh, ageism, plain and simple.
But yeah, Grassley needs to hang up the spurs.
lm28469•49m ago
Just look at Trump and Biden speeches VS Bush or Obama
lazide•41m ago
It’s in the definition. Words have meaning.
lm28469•33m ago
lazide•30m ago
lm28469•25m ago
If your president can barely finish a coherent sentence and literally pisses in a plastic bag strapped to his leg I don't care how you call it but I want none of it
Same reason I don't leave my newborn baby alone with my 95 years old grandma who has dementia, call it ageism if you want, I call it basic common sense
tjwebbnorfolk•23m ago
lazide•12m ago
navbaker•18m ago
lazide•2m ago
Either way, those same old folks are the ones who’d need to sign off on the rules banning their existence and I don’t see them doing that.
So who are the idiots exactly?
frmersdog•34m ago
leptons•26m ago
All of them? No. But I also could introduce you to plenty of 25 year old's that aren't "agile and flexible enough, mentally to perform these positions". And it's often not even "mental agility" that is the problem with people in power, it's corruption, greed, and just plain old hate that is the problem. Those things don't have any age limits except maybe below 6 years old, and even then I've met some pretty nasty, spoiled toddlers.
bearjaws•24m ago
daveguy•13m ago
master_crab•55m ago
The cruft that has built up (from the 2nd amendment, to the electoral college) over 250ish years is a serious problem.
shakna•52m ago
The UK would easily disagree, with their founding codification in 1215.
jrflowers•36m ago
DSingularity•50m ago
Old so competent senators barely matter. It’s all about unelected corporate boards and secret groups within influential government agencies.
AtlasBarfed•45m ago
saubeidl•37m ago
San Marino has you beat, but obviously quite different scale.
t-3•23m ago
jacquesm•18m ago
The fact that the supreme court even exists shows that this is far from the whole truth. Besides that, and even if it were the case, there is a pretty clear effort underway to do an end-run around large chunks of that constitution.
snapplebobapple•12m ago
mattmanser•2m ago
1215, still a few parts left as enforceable law today. If you think US institutions are old, try European ones. We're still supposed to practice longbow on Sundays.
America is middle aged, at best. You haven't even changed regime yet. Only every been a republic. Never changed religion.
How cute. Poor old Spain has been back and forth with absolute monarchy, constitutional monarchy, republics and even a fascist dictatorship thrown in the mix.
teddy-smith•44m ago
She's smarter than me.
What you just said is agist.
rileymat2•28m ago
general1465•5m ago
bjourne•24m ago
g42gregory•44m ago
I don't think the age is the problem. It's corruption.
AndroTux•31m ago
t-3•20m ago
jacquesm•17m ago
t-3•10m ago
jacquesm•2m ago
tokioyoyo•31m ago
The incentives for policy making are much different in both countries.
horns4lyfe•43m ago
johnisgood•38m ago
jasonsb•37m ago
FpUser•35m ago
But yeah allowing Chuck Grassley to run at this young </s> age is pure insanity.
micromacrofoot•26m ago
atmavatar•23m ago
A bigger concern to me is that many of them are old enough that any long-term impacts resulting from bills they pass simply won't happen until they're gone.
And, I would expand that to include more than just Congress - I think major executive offices and the Supreme Court should have an age limit for the very same reason. Anyone in government office whose decisions can have long-lasting effects should be young enough they need to keep that in mind.
Anyone who (statistically) has only a few years left to live and especially anyone past the average life expectancy are welcome to hang around in advisory roles, but they should have limited (if any) power to directly affect future policy because they simply don't have any real skin in the game any longer.
ugh123•23m ago
general1465•15m ago