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All the sad young terminally online men

https://www.derekthompson.org/p/all-the-sad-young-terminally-online
44•gamechangr•1h ago

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jauntywundrkind•54m ago
I love how Derek centers on (and summarizes) Jay Van Bavel's characteristics of online discourse, and the four "Dark Laws" he comes out with:

> 1) Negativity bias increases clicks. 2) Extreme opinions increase sharing. 3) Out-group animosity increases engagement. 4) Moral-emotional language goes viral.

These read as all to familiar, strikes me as having all the ingredients to spiral us down into the nightmare of Sagan's Demon Haunted World. Which has been a lovely dark thread going on today. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45404373

It feels like we're deep in the whirlpool of such a radically non-empathetic zero-sum dis-reality based thinking.

drchopchop•27m ago
" This group tended to agree with dark pronouncements, such as “I need chaos around me” and “When I think about our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn.’ ” Petersen and his colleagues came up with an unforgettable term to describe this group’s psychology: “The need for chaos.”"

My take is that a lack of opportunity / class stratification / societal mobility plays into this. It's essentially the same reason people play the lottery. When you're stuck in a seemingly intractable situation, you need the world to suddenly change around you. Maybe you win Powerball, or maybe you decide to just burn everything down out of desperation. Social media just amplifies those thoughts.

positron26•25m ago
> non-zero-sum

Don't you mean zero-sum? Cynicism often defaults to transactionalism and implying that people are motivated by nothing else and deconstructing any evidence to the contrary as if dopamine is never mutually released. Transactionalism is frequently and illogically zero-sum play that takes place within infinite games.

mindwok•27m ago
I often wonder what the internet would look like if we just banned paid advertising. Facebook, instagram, X, TikTok, they’d all have to start charging users to stay alive and I don’t think anyone would choose to pay for the brainrot. I’d like to see us remove the incentives these companies have for just gluing us to our phones.
AuthAuth•19m ago
I'd like to think parents would be more involved if they had to buy their kids internet things but they'd probably end up swiping their creditcard on the same stupid stuff.
socalgal2•4m ago
I don't think it would change at all. Look at creators on Youtube. The majority are clickbait and other crap, people trying to get money and/or influence. It doesn't require advertising by the platform. All it requires is the internet itself and nearly everyone on it. Ads might have accelerated things but the basic incentives are "more viewers = more money / influence", with or without ads. And those incentives eventually lead to where we are.
mingus88•3m ago
For those of us online in the 90s we don’t have to wonder

It was literally a utopia before business came along. Every site was built from passion, with no expectation of getting anything in return. It was a global community centered around sharing knowledge.

I’d go one step further and ban the consolidation of platforms by billionaires. The open internet no longer exists or will ever exist again

zinodaur•27m ago
Article contains em dash and bits of the author's prompts as sentence fragments
kaonwarb•24m ago
Many good writers used the em dash long before LLMs. (Where, after all, did LLMs get the idea from?)
codpiece•18m ago
Em dashes —once the sign of a sophisticated writer— were prominent in The New York Times.
haunter•10m ago
>I don’t know how to stop political violence in America.

"sad young terminally online men" is not an American thing it's a global phenomenon yet America has something that most other countries don't. Simple as that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation...

Not even mention this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_State...

ViscountPenguin•5m ago
Lest we forget that the most recent high profile target of American political violence was a gun nut themself.

Americans have, on the whole, decided that being murdered is an acceptable price to pay for the right to carry pew-pew sticks at all times.

billy99k•7m ago
The killer had a boyfriend they were living with. Couldn"t have been too lonely.
recallingmemory•4m ago
Social media companies have managed to figure out what can keep a person glued to a screen for hours on end. The result is a clearly fucked up generation that took in endless staged content as reality and their brains have been shaped accordingly. Young men do not have a working model of the world that is based in reality.

Congratulations to the social media companies and their infinite ad revenue, and so sorry to the rest of us who have to live in a Tiktok society.

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