The easy way around this is to tax US companies hard for head count in India. Like 100k per employee in India that is directly working on services for US based business. So a developer working on a product that will be used in the US is taxed.
India is a protectionist state. It doesn't deserve any slack. Tax the shit out of American companies that move work there.
alephnerd•1h ago
And then India will enforce it's Digital Services Act, as will the European Union, as will other countries with significant services exports.
On top of that, the foreign subsidiaries of companies are that - subsidiaries. They can be converted or spun out into autonomous or entirely independent organizations that own IP and decisions, thus bypassing the "strategy" you mentioned. This is why the India subsidiaries of most conglomerates like Hyundai, LG, Suzuki, Siemens, and others have been IPOing in the India for the past few years.
Finally, I'm in cybersecurity. Our entire pipeline is in Israel, the CEE, and India because there is no hiring pipeline aside from a smattering of veterans from cybersecurity MOSes.
We wouldn't have outsourced if we had the right talent pipeline in the US, but universities and state and local governments failed us, while other countries abroad worked to attract FDI, ensured industries had a say in designing curriculum, or made sure to provide tax credits.
It's the same reason Hollywood shifted to London and automotive manufacting to Ontario and Mexico.
There's a reason Wiz was founded in Israel and not America.
JohnFen•1h ago
Sounds like a good way to get those companies to move outside the US entirely.
sleepyguy•25m ago
Then they don't need to do business in the US. Lets see how it works out for them.
churchill•2m ago
How are you going to enforce that? I mean this sincerely, from the bottom of my heart.
Ban SWIFT transactions to India? They'll just start hiring in Eastern Europe, the Philippines, etc. Not to mention explosive lawsuits that'll ultimately find that the government doesn't have those powers.
I can understand and sympathize with you feeling sad about jobs being outsourced but, this is technological evolution. America has a tiny slice of humanity's population and if the Bell Curve is accurate, it therefore has a tiny slice of the world's supply of smart people. Or, maybe just driven hard workers, since not every H1B founds a Google.
If you don't let them move to America, then fine, your homegrown companies will export jobs to them. The only way to prevent this is to levy blanket tariffs on all countries to force them to onshore. But, then, they'll retaliate, hurting America's export industries and the economy. Making America a less attractive place for the businesses you're trying to hold back. They'll consequently move out.
sleepyguy•1h ago
India is a protectionist state. It doesn't deserve any slack. Tax the shit out of American companies that move work there.
alephnerd•1h ago
On top of that, the foreign subsidiaries of companies are that - subsidiaries. They can be converted or spun out into autonomous or entirely independent organizations that own IP and decisions, thus bypassing the "strategy" you mentioned. This is why the India subsidiaries of most conglomerates like Hyundai, LG, Suzuki, Siemens, and others have been IPOing in the India for the past few years.
Finally, I'm in cybersecurity. Our entire pipeline is in Israel, the CEE, and India because there is no hiring pipeline aside from a smattering of veterans from cybersecurity MOSes.
We wouldn't have outsourced if we had the right talent pipeline in the US, but universities and state and local governments failed us, while other countries abroad worked to attract FDI, ensured industries had a say in designing curriculum, or made sure to provide tax credits.
It's the same reason Hollywood shifted to London and automotive manufacting to Ontario and Mexico.
There's a reason Wiz was founded in Israel and not America.
JohnFen•1h ago
sleepyguy•25m ago
churchill•2m ago
Ban SWIFT transactions to India? They'll just start hiring in Eastern Europe, the Philippines, etc. Not to mention explosive lawsuits that'll ultimately find that the government doesn't have those powers.
I can understand and sympathize with you feeling sad about jobs being outsourced but, this is technological evolution. America has a tiny slice of humanity's population and if the Bell Curve is accurate, it therefore has a tiny slice of the world's supply of smart people. Or, maybe just driven hard workers, since not every H1B founds a Google.
If you don't let them move to America, then fine, your homegrown companies will export jobs to them. The only way to prevent this is to levy blanket tariffs on all countries to force them to onshore. But, then, they'll retaliate, hurting America's export industries and the economy. Making America a less attractive place for the businesses you're trying to hold back. They'll consequently move out.
It's the same thing with tariffs. If