That’s rich coming from a department that has intentionally withheld money from our most vulnerable people this year.
Republicans hold the majority... hello?
A simple majority could be challenging if the government is formed via coalition, but if you have any examples where 1) a single party formed government and 2) a simple majority was the only requirement to pass a budget and 3) a budget failed to pass… then enlighten me by all means!
Edit: At least there is required more than simple majority for some things - as there needs to be compromise (consensus in society). But we see now the flaw that ruling party does not care about compromises.
There’s nothing really stopping a government with simple majority control across all branches from doing away with the filibuster and ramming the budget through except internal party politics.
Denocrats are voting against continuing the current budget that they passed while Joe Biden was president.
If my ssn is screwed with which I've paid into for decades ... because of interest on debt and other basic financial mismagement ... there's gonna be push back.
The overreach of the right is building cases for nyc next lefty mayor (likely) and Sanders, aoc, Robert reichs of the world btw ... too far left can have its own other problems. We don't need that either.
We are in serious need of competence and getting the basics done right for the right reasons.
While i could go on at length about trump's own rank stupidity we all must see the root cause is an instiutionally corrupt and incompetent congress. That power vacuum is filled by trump now.. but it's congress that bears the ultimate responsibility. Democrats are not criminally so flagrant or culpable but democrat policy and no street smarts didn't help. They are a very weak compeitor.
This budget has veered sharply away from Biden's budget.
So yes actually the democrats shut down the government.
And you can bet they made some spicy trades beforehand.
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/longest-government-shu...
Well done! Aren't we so great?
It's a misquote but I live in Utah. Challenge accepted. My ante is Charlie Kirk.
Challenge accepted? It's already over. You lost. You sat back and did nothing.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pete-hegseth-... ("Trump Tells Generals the Military Will Be Used to Fight ‘Enemy Within’"))
I fear this may longer than I originally suspected.
Hypocracy has a cost.
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45423880 (NPR before the shutdown)
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45434179 (The Guardian, politically biased headline)
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45434441 (Reuters)
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45434146 (BBC News)
In a nutshell:
1. Democrats and Republicans reach a typical legislative compromise with enough votes to pass one law, which says the government shall do both [A] and [B].
2. President Trump says "Meh, I don't wanna do the [B] part. Nobody do that."
3. Republican legislators go: "Huh, OK, I didn't want [B] myself anyway, so I'm gonna let Trump break the law without impeaching him. We'll spend that money for something totally different later."
So... what's the point of Democrats compromising on spending laws when the Republican party conspires to break the law afterwards?
[0] https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/new-data-show-t...
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gizmo686•44m ago
Granted, it is weird to think about living in a country where this is a finanical product that so many institutions just have.
Even without that, the shutdown actually needs to last a while before it actually becomes a problem for forloughed workers.
Despite the shutdown, the October 1 paychecks (covering work done between September 7 and September 20) will still go out, as they have long since been sent to the payment processors.
The October 15 paychecks (covering September 21 - October 4) should go out with a slightly reduced amount the unpaid 4 days during the shutdown. This would require the agency in question to properly follow shutdown protocols and submit timecards/payroll data to the processors prior to the shutdown. Since this is not the routine process, I imagine some mistakes will be made here, so some government workers will probably miss the October 15 paycheck. Others may face hardship from the reduced payment; but even people living paycheck to paycheck typically stretch the paycheck out across the pay period, so will be able to get through most of the period on the reduced check (and can probably defer/reduce some spending).
Major payroll lapses will not kick in until the October 29 paycheck. If we reach that point, this would be the second longest shutdown in history [0]. Even then, most Americans have an existing line of credit that offers 0% interest loans for between 30 and 60 days depending on when they are in the billing cycle [1].
[0] Not that I would be too suprised by this. The longest shutdown occured under President Trump, while the republicans controlled the Senate; and had controll of the House for the first part of the shutdown.
[1] Except for those who have a revolving balance, in which case and additional spending starts accruing interest immedietly; and any delay in paying down the existing balance also incurs interest. And, when these loans do gather interest, it is at a quite high rate.
achenet•23m ago
I suppose it's like working for a company with a really weird build or CI/CD process that breaks regularly, to the point where many devs in the company have a prepared "the build process broke again" workaround script ready.
People are generally pretty intelligent, au least until they get into politics