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Aphantasia and Psychedelics

https://psychedelirium.substack.com/p/aphantasia-and-psychedelics
27•yenniejun111•1h ago

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aatd86•35m ago
I wonder if schizophrenia is not partially disregulated phantasia. Or at least one of the symptoms.
CjHuber•27m ago
I have aphantasia and psychedelics definitely give me visuals. However it‘s more like shifting and warping stuff I and not very pronounced. DMT however is one of the only things that gave me strong visuals, LSD in combination with DXM too so I wonder if it has something to do with the sigma receptor
diggan•14m ago
Ever tried 2CB or mushrooms/psilocybin and if so, how prominent were the visuals? Always found those to be more visual (for better or worse), particularly compared to LSD, but I don't have aphantasia.
anp•6m ago
Not GP but 2CB and psilocybin were never very visual for me compared with LSD in my tripping days. I have aphantasia and the only chemical to give me full eyes open visuals was DMT. Mescaline was a very distant second.
someothherguyy•10m ago
> has something to do with the sigma receptor

Why? Because two of those drugs are agonists?

anp•9m ago
This matches my experience and I was quite surprised to find out other aphantasiacs have their “minds eye open” when tripping. For me psychedelics only ever produced a fractal overlay on top of what I was already seeing.

I wondered for a long time why everyone else experienced such strong visuals and eventually decided on my own it must be related to aphantasia. It’s nice to find out I might not have been a total crank with that hypothesis :).

gavinray•2m ago
I have aphantasia but I have visuals when dreaming, and have OEV's on any psychedelic in high enough doses.

So I think it's useful to talk about dosages here.

For example, I won't have OEV's until around 200-250ug of LSD, or 20-22mg 2C-B, or 3.5g mushrooms.

thrance•11m ago
I feel like there's more to aphantasia than just "can you see the apple or not?". I can't for the life of me imagine an apple. At best, I get a very faint and dark picture of something resembling the fruit. Plus, there's one on the desk right next to me, so I shouldn't have too much trouble with the assignment, but here we are.

On the other hand, I have a pretty good memory (compared to my peers) and I can recall vivid (at least to me) images of the past. For example, I can still picture a scene of me and my dad picking apples in my grandparent's garden years ago, just after my grandmother passed away. I recall the cold November weather, the grey sky, the felled apples laying on the ground, some rotten. I can still remember what I was wearing that day. Similarly, I do dream a lot, most often accompanied with clear images of places and people, fictional or not. Even though I am utterly incapable of drawing these memories and dreams (I tried), I would still qualify these things as "image", and I can't fathom them being any clearer.

Am I just misunderstanding the exercise or is there something here?

ITB•3m ago
I can give you a quick and infallible test, but it has to be done live. How do I reach out?
bcraven•9m ago
I listened to a recent podcast that discussed why giving people with aphantasia the chance to see images is ethically complicated:

https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/listen/hyperfixed/third-eye-bl...

(Presented by Alex Goldman from Reply All)

crooked-v•5m ago
I'm not taking the time to listen through that. Is there a transcript?
mdswanson•7m ago
An aphantasia "beginner's guide" for those who aren't familiar or just want to learn more: https://aphantasia.com/guide/
incomingpain•4m ago
On the graph for aphantasia where it's words. I certainly dont imagine words. If I were to stretch the truth about seeing an apple, I maybe see an outline. Certainly no detail inside, like the relfection of light off the apple.

Psychedelics, like mushrooms, do nothing for me. Mushrooms, I've never had a high better than say a light buzz from alcohol, generally nothing. I never get the wavvy or beer goggles from alcohol. I could be absolutely smashed, drink a micky in a couple hours and still pass a field sobriety test; and im a cheap drunk. THC doesnt do much of anything. Opiates take alot; any amount of morphine and nothing. Still feel the pain. One time I had Dilaudid. That helped with the surgical pain maybe 50%; from intolerable to tolerable. Nothing though, no hallucinations or anything. Maybe at some peak I was feeling a wierd flush or wave feeling in my body but nothing significant.

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