Both media apparatuses are pulling the extreme to the center of the conversation.
Perhaps both "sides" should first vet some rando's online comment, poll the center (privately - there are a lot of ways to do this for free) and if the rando comment happens to be agreed by the mainstream, then sure, write an article. But from what I see, most of the reaction to articles or statements like this is:
"It's not mandatory to mourn him. People aren't being fired because they aren't mourning him."
Which is true.
Perhaps the other article they could write is:
"Take this Vaccine, Or Else!"
That all being said, I have no idea what this article is about, I'm just surmising as it's pay-walled for no reason (advertising exists).
bigyabai•4mo ago
The government didn't make you take the vaccine. They just didn't protect you from the consequences... and why should they?
If your private employer considers you a risk, they have every right to make you choose between vaccination or the pink-slip in an at-will employment state. Get over it, there are real issues worth being butthurt over. Unless you live in Montana, the legal side of this was hashed out literal decades ago.
almosthere•4mo ago
The Ironing is delicious
You proved the comment. It is literally Do this or Else and your comment was, get over it, they didn't make you take it - all that will happen is you will lose your job.
So you agree this then, if you don't Mourn Charlie Kirk you should be fired. IT'S THE SAME DAMN ARGUMENT!
bigyabai•4mo ago
Workplace discrimination on a political basis is illegal, so no, you shouldn't be fired. If you were ruining the business by talking about it constantly then maybe you could be fired, but a lack of remorse isn't a justifiable offense. If you fired someone on the basis of failing to mourn, you would be sued and certainly lose.
almosthere•4mo ago
1. Making a video saying you loved that CK was killed -> instant fire, that's not even political, that's giving your employer liability instantly.
2. Not mourning is definitely not something to get fired over
3. A company is not legally allowed to know if you took a vaccine or not because it's protected information under HIPAA so any attempts to standardized that a few years ago was 100% illegal.
So in closing you supporting #3 means you're on the same woke page as people that support firing for not mourning.
bigyabai•4mo ago
> 3. A company is not legally allowed to know if you took a vaccine or not
I don't think HIPAA protections work the way you think they work. Businesses aren't allowed to know... without your consent. It's perfectly legal to demand that you produce documentation proving your vaccination, your age, or even your medical history before being allowed to do certain things. Many businesses aren't legally allowed to subsume liability without having that documentation. If you don't consent, they will (justifiably) refuse you service.
Can't skydive if you won't prove you don't have scoliosis, can't drink if you won't show your drivers license. Way she goes.
SilverElfin•4mo ago
> The government didn't make you take the vaccine.
The government forcing people to not be able to attend school or work or whatever, just because they chose to not get vaccinated, is the same as making them. Let’s not play this game - it’s obvious what it is. No one should be compelled to give up their bodily autonomy to participate in society. It’s more just for people who are afraid of the risk of illness to stay at home or wear protective clothing everywhere.
HankStallone•4mo ago
Especially since those private employers twisted their employees' arms (or fired them) not because they thought the employees were a risk, but because there was an OSHA mandate pending that was going to make them do it. The Supreme Court shot that down not long before it would have gone into effect, but a business can't wait until the last minute. There are HR procedures, consultations with legal, and so on that can take months to make sure everything's covered. So a lot of businesses went ahead as if the OSHA mandate were final, and when it got thrown out it was too late.
Which is exactly what was intended, so later (like we're seeing now) they could say, "Hey, we didn't make you do it."
twixfel•4mo ago
Crazy how much Covid radicalised the average American.
saltyoldman•4mo ago
Perhaps both "sides" should first vet some rando's online comment, poll the center (privately - there are a lot of ways to do this for free) and if the rando comment happens to be agreed by the mainstream, then sure, write an article. But from what I see, most of the reaction to articles or statements like this is:
"It's not mandatory to mourn him. People aren't being fired because they aren't mourning him."
Which is true.
Perhaps the other article they could write is:
"Take this Vaccine, Or Else!"
That all being said, I have no idea what this article is about, I'm just surmising as it's pay-walled for no reason (advertising exists).
bigyabai•4mo ago
If your private employer considers you a risk, they have every right to make you choose between vaccination or the pink-slip in an at-will employment state. Get over it, there are real issues worth being butthurt over. Unless you live in Montana, the legal side of this was hashed out literal decades ago.
almosthere•4mo ago
You proved the comment. It is literally Do this or Else and your comment was, get over it, they didn't make you take it - all that will happen is you will lose your job.
So you agree this then, if you don't Mourn Charlie Kirk you should be fired. IT'S THE SAME DAMN ARGUMENT!
bigyabai•4mo ago
almosthere•4mo ago
2. Not mourning is definitely not something to get fired over
3. A company is not legally allowed to know if you took a vaccine or not because it's protected information under HIPAA so any attempts to standardized that a few years ago was 100% illegal.
So in closing you supporting #3 means you're on the same woke page as people that support firing for not mourning.
bigyabai•4mo ago
I don't think HIPAA protections work the way you think they work. Businesses aren't allowed to know... without your consent. It's perfectly legal to demand that you produce documentation proving your vaccination, your age, or even your medical history before being allowed to do certain things. Many businesses aren't legally allowed to subsume liability without having that documentation. If you don't consent, they will (justifiably) refuse you service.
Can't skydive if you won't prove you don't have scoliosis, can't drink if you won't show your drivers license. Way she goes.
SilverElfin•4mo ago
The government forcing people to not be able to attend school or work or whatever, just because they chose to not get vaccinated, is the same as making them. Let’s not play this game - it’s obvious what it is. No one should be compelled to give up their bodily autonomy to participate in society. It’s more just for people who are afraid of the risk of illness to stay at home or wear protective clothing everywhere.
HankStallone•4mo ago
Which is exactly what was intended, so later (like we're seeing now) they could say, "Hey, we didn't make you do it."
twixfel•4mo ago