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NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2025/10/02/judge-in-the-bits-of-freedom-vs-meta-lawsuit-meta-must-respect-users-choice/
86•mattashii•1h ago

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mattashii•1h ago
Judgement (dutch): https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025...

The judgement requires Meta to change their platforms within 2 weeks so that the user's choice is persistent. If not implemented in 2 weeks, there is a daily penalty of €100'000, up to a maximum of €5 million.

jacooper•58m ago
Lol 5 million is pocket change for meta, wtf are these courts doing?
tantalor•54m ago
Maybe it's per user?
hsuduebc2•51m ago
I believe that is kind of a warning. The major fines based on the global revenue is issued usually by some european institution.
diggan•49m ago
Doesn't seem like it:

> 5.3. orders Meta Ireland to pay BoE a penalty of €100,000.00 for each day or part thereof that it does not, or does not fully, comply with the orders under 5.1 and/or 5.2, up to a maximum total of €5,000,000.00.

Original:

> 5.3. veroordeelt Meta Ierland om aan BoE een dangsom te betalen van € 100.000.00 oor iedere dag of gedeelte daarvan dat zij niet of niet volledig aan de beelen onder 5.1 en/of 5.2 oldoet. tot een maximum an in totaal € 5.000.000.00 is bereikt.

It seems like usually they start with smaller fines, and if the offense is repeated, they ramp it up. Kind of makes sense.

markus92•49m ago
Na, but under the Dutch legal you can go back to the court if they pay the 5 million without changing anything and ask if they can increase it cus it clearly wasn’t enough. They’ll just keep tacking zeroes on.
jeroenhd•39m ago
Yes and no. The judge can choose to tack on zeroes to make Meta comply, but they may also find that monetary fines are not sufficient and take other measures. This is not just a money printing machine you can keep coming back to.

If Meta can provide a reasonable time frame for compliance, the judge may also choose to let the existing limit on reparations stand rather than increase it, despite them not complying the day they hit the 5 million euro mark.

It's all up to what the judge deems reasonable to make Meta comply with the court's orders.

markus92•11m ago
Exactly, they can’t just pay the 5 million and call it a day.
maccard•48m ago
The goal isn’t to penalize, it’s to get them to comply.
throwaw12•45m ago
for 5 million?

I am willing to pay 0.01$ out of my pocket to not comply with some regulations in my country. I can even pay annually

maccard•8m ago
Yes, for 5 million.

It’s an intentional slap on the wrist because they don’t actually want to fine them, they just want them to change their behaviour. The general MO of European courts is to get people to comply, not to punish non compliance. There’s a subtle difference. If Meta change their tact in the next two weeks then they got what they wanted. If they don’t, fine increases and they’ll escalate responses.

jeroenhd•48m ago
This is 5 million for this particular court case. Nothing is preventing others from filing their own, very similar cases. If Meta ignores the court's decision, a second lawsuit may end much worse for them.

Though, practically speaking, America has been threatening to make the trade war they started much worse for the EU if it tried to enforce things like DSA and GDPR fines. We'll have to see how enforceable these laws really are.

__MatrixMan__•36m ago
Fines in general aren't effective.

Perhaps this case doesn't warrant it, but generally speaking I'd like to see allocating jailtime across the top shareholders as an option.

If my dog bites somebody, I'm on the hook, it should be no different with a company.

DoktorDelta•34m ago
"I'll Believe That Corporations Are People When Texas Executes One"

~Robert Reich

RobotToaster•33m ago
It also means that after 50 days there's basically no incentive to comply.
pettertb•26m ago
Fines up to 5 million Euros against meta

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

mrtksn•25m ago
That how you build up a case for transferring control. First its "lol, 5m is a pocket change" and it becomes argument of politicians for tighter control over Meta. Then Zuck says they are trying to make the world a better place but it doesn't stick, people side with the politician who is building a career by sticking it to Meta.

So not entirely useless.

saubeidl•23m ago
I'm not sure if you're arguing for more or less control being transferred from Meta towards the state, but I agree with your observation.
dmd•24m ago
The judge: five .... MEEEIIILLIONNNN ... euros!

Meta: lol

belter•4m ago
One less principal engineer signing bonus ...:-)
mglazebrook•4m ago
I doubt they will meet the deadline or care over 5mill. It just is pennies to them.
AdriaanvRossum•50m ago
Lekker bezig.
lofaszvanitt•49m ago
English

https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2025/10/02/judge-in-the-bits-of...

hsuduebc2•48m ago
As a European, I’m glad that the influence of big, potentially dangerous companies is being kept in check. From the start of October, Meta is completely switching off political ads and now I can look forward to my feed stopping with tabloids, politics and Russian propaganda and going back to technical curiosities and capybaras.
eru•38m ago
Why don't you just stop using Facebook, if you don't like it?
astonex•32m ago
It's about making the right choices for society as a whole
eru•25m ago
Not using Facebook might be the right choice.
rosseitsa•27m ago
There is a level of investment we put in the platforms we use.

This comment is akin to asking farmers cut off from repairing their equipment "why don't you buy tractors from a different company instead of fighting to fix your existing ones?"

The investment in the case of social media is the network you've built. In my country most local events are announced primarily on facebook for example.

eru•24m ago
If you want to repair your tractors, buy from a factory that lets you repair your tractors in the first place?
Klonoar•17m ago
You have completely missed the point of what they are saying to you, or are being willfully obtuse.
vintagedave•15m ago
Hindsight is easy, and perhaps had no-one taken up Facebook in 2004 we'd all be okay. It's also not always obvious what trade-offs you're making, because you cannot see the future.

Ultimately, it was not obvious in 2004 where we'd be today. Reality exists regardless of retrospective blame. The problem we have _today_ is the one we need to deal with.

snaking0776•12m ago
This article about the AT protocol (which Bluesky uses) provides a good argument for why alternative social media sites like will help prevent this feeling of lock-in in the future and is worth a read: https://overreacted.io/open-social/
saubeidl•22m ago
The network effect is real.
pixl97•12m ago
Why dont we make all laws voluntary and let people do whatever they want?
55555•28m ago
Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.
umanwizard•24m ago
Messenger is already a separate app.
moolcool•14m ago
Instagram Messenger is not
pimlottc•9m ago
Completely. I'm not normally on Instagram but I recently made meet some new friends that use it for messaging. The number of times I've open the app to message someone and gotten distracted by the feed...

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