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Structured Procrastination

https://structuredprocrastination.com
120•ipnon•2h ago

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jclulow•1h ago
I think basically everyone with ADHD discovers this eventually; e.g.,

> Sympathetic Procrastination Rotor: a technique for Time and Task Management.

> To aid in the fight against procrastination, arrange all of your tasks in a cycle, such that the natural opportunity for procrastination is always another task on the roadmap. In this essay I will

https://x.com/jmclulow/status/1390544792946237442

taneq•46m ago
Narrator: He did not.
latexr•15m ago
It’s a meme, just like your “narrator” quip.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-this-essay-i-will

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-narrator

emil-lp•1h ago
I started writing a book as a form of procrastination, and after I had written the first (exceptionally bad) draft, suddenly finishing that book rose to the top of the list. Haven't worked on it since.
ipnon•1h ago
This is a trick I use: Never release a finished product. All of my releases are WIPs. I feel like Zeno’s Software Engineer.
eru•1h ago
You better never learn about limits.
hshdhdhehd•1h ago
Zeno, meet Sisyphus
taneq•45m ago
Gonna get that boulder to the top of the hill eventually!
Asmod4n•54m ago
I’m, after 10 years of building a eco system of around 40 extensions for mruby, at the stage to start my first project using them.
otikik•46m ago
I published the open source library I have been privately working on for several months this weekend. It was my way to avoid spending the day closing down my vegetable patch for the winter.

So that is my advice to you: if you want to do the book, add more things to the top of that list :)

Good luck and mention me on the acknowledgements! xD

thenoblesunfish•1h ago
Key strategy is to get a job in the past, as a professor, where you can get away with not really doing most things you "have" to do.
siva7•1h ago
> Procrastinators often follow exactly the wrong tack. They try to minimize their commitments, assuming that if they have only a few things to do, they will quit procrastinating and get them done. But this goes contrary to the basic nature of the procrastinator and destroys his most important source of motivation.

This is also true from my observations but what this writing misses is another much more crucial aspect: People with severe, general procrastination problems have a high chance of having (usually undiagnosed) AD(H)D. This is a neurobiological disorder (more precisely, a spectrum), not something you can trick away by reading self-help books/writings. There is effective medication available for those patients.

eru•1h ago
As far as I can tell, ADHD exists on a spectrum. And treatment is also multi-faceted. Meaning you might want to take your ADHD meds and do whatever exercises your shrink suggests, and in addition see whatever self-help essays work for you, etc.
dashdashu•1h ago
You're right but being medicated is usually the first step. The starting line so to say from which you can then explore various other methods and see what can help mitigate symptoms
4gotunameagain•1h ago
As exactly you pointed it out, it is a spectrum. Therefore some things work for some people, while not for others.

Not everyone should take amphetamines to be more productive.

LoganDark•1h ago
My ADHD medication doesn't help me perfectly, but it does help. Maybe.
anon7000•46m ago
I have (diagnosed) ADHD, and take meds for it daily. It helps tremendously. For that window of a few hours where it has an optimal effect, I have what feels like an innate desire to do anything. Send those texts I’ve been putting off, coordinate doing an activity this weekend, do that mundane testing on that PR I’ve been putting off shipping, get started on a daunting project.

I’m still a procrastinator, and the meds only solve so much of the problem. They aren’t going to put me in that “optimal” state for 16 hours a day. This article rings so true for procrastination, and I think the technique is still useful. It’s embracing the fact that my ADHD will let me focus on a difficult, but “less important,” task.

Interesting example. I have a weekend class next week and I’m supposed to read a book before it. Once it’s the day before, odds are 99% I won’t read the book. But I can sneak it in now while it feels less important. Ha, take that procrastination!

MEMORYC_RRUPTED•10m ago
As someone who is a chronic procrastinator, and has diagnosed ADHD, I relate to this. While yes, scrapping tasks and limiting concurrent in-progress todo's helps with peace of mind and feelings of guilt, I am _significantly_ more productive the more I get on my plate. As long as A I have a clear set of small tasks for each project, I can actually make more progress.

That said: there's definitely a price to pay for this. I'm very bad at managing energy levels, or making sure I do all of that in a sustainable way, so, it's super productive, until I'm not. At all. Usually quite suddenly. The risk for burnout is quite high.

I'm starting to accept that I'll never find the right balance, rather, I'm just getting better at recognising the symptoms that I'm headed towards burnout, and just accept that it's alternating periods of very high, intense productivity, and periods of basically nothing.

Putting one thing on my to-do list is the most surefire way of me not doing the thing.

rikafurude21•4m ago
Relying on medication to mask the symptoms of ADHD is effective until you have been taking that medication for years and end up depending on it to function at all. ADHD medication is usually just a stimulant, which your brain adapts to rather quickly, and the sense of "needing it to function" is just your body trying to reach a state of equilibrium.
elcapitan•1h ago
Kind of fitting that this is currently #1 on HN
CamelCaseName•28m ago
What's more, it's been posted 40 times, the first being back in 2007!
tiniuclx•1h ago
I too struggle with procrastination. I have a big personal project that is nearing completion & very important to me, but also turning into a bit of a slog. However, because I'm procrastinating working on said project, I managed to do many other things that are also important to me, such as writing more & sharpening some skills.
codesnik•1h ago
I'm doing the same, or at least trying to do it.

Worst periods for me were when I had one clear, important goal, not particularly hard but hairy, and nothing else to do, sometimes because I myself cleared it up. I could spend months doing nothing useful, and end up very, very tired and burnt up.

I also several times had a conversation with managers, whom I told that I'd rather work on something very urgent, or otherwise give me something NOT (really) urgent and a big murky area of things to clear out which no one else knows how to deal with. That something won't probably be done, but that area will be improved a lot in creative ways. Typical managers' responses have been trying to micromanage my time up to personal hourly schedules, morning and evening personal reports, and scold me if I did anything out of the order of the list of priorities they imposed on me. Exactly the opposite of what's needed for me to be productive. And of course "let's just try that, and I'm not asking."

Next time I'll see such a response, I probably will quit on the spot; this is unbelievably cruel.

But it looks like the secret of the author is: just work in academia.

jbstack•1h ago
> The procrastinator can be motivated to do difficult, timely and important tasks, as long as these tasks are a way of not doing something more important.

This is the reason this method has never really clicked for me, despite coming across the concept in various procrastination blogs. It's the more important tasks that need doing the most, and this method aims to avoid doing those in favour of less important tasks. Yes, the article acknowledges this:

> At this point you may be asking, "How about the important tasks at the top of the list, that one never does?" Admittedly, there is a potential problem here.

But the offered solution is to put fake important tasks to the top of the list: tasks which have deadlines and appear to be important but really aren't. I don't think the human brain is stupid enough to trick itself in this way. If I put a fake task at the top of my list, I'm going to know its fake (because I deliberately put it there for the reason that it's fake!), and it's going to be the actual important tasks which get neglected instead of the fake one.

anon7000•35m ago
I mean, the crux of the problem is you might have a problem space where everything has a very, very strict, tight deadline. It’s not gonna work for that.

But this is simply not true in the real world. As the author notes, he has papers to grade and a mess of work to do in the evenings. These are important and have deadlines.

But the reality of the matter is that procrastinating them really doesn’t hurt anyone that much, and the benefit of just spending time with students is incredible.

If every problem is deeply important and has to be done yesterday, you wind up stretched very thin. It’s stressful!

I don’t think this is about creating a fake task at the top. It’s more about recognizing that it’s very frequently ok to procrastinate important things if you get value from what you did instead, and aiming to maximize that value. You’re tricking yourself, but in a way that fits how some procrastinators think. As he says, it relies on some level of self-deception.

And it should go without saying that there are obviously exceptions, and that it’s just one tool in the toolbox.

jbstack•20m ago
The part I'm not convinced about is that the self-deception actually works. In order to achieve it, I have to go through the thought process of "I have papers to grade and a mess of work to do which are important and have deadlines, but actually if I don't do them it won't hurt anyone". Once I go through that thought process, I now know that the task isn't genuinely important. Writing it down at the top of some list doesn't change what I know. Somewhere else on that list is the real important task (the one that will cause harm if I don't do it) and my brain knows which one it is and will try to procrastinate it.
sigilis•28m ago
Task selection is the tricky bit. It has to actually be important in some dimension. The easiest is something with an amount of social pressure. If someone is waiting for you to do something that you have promised, then it acquires a kind of urgency and importance even if it wouldn’t harm you not to do it in a timely manner.

It’s not fake importance, it’s just taking advantage of the fact that you want to be seen as dependable and effective to other people.

jbstack•24m ago
> If someone is waiting for you to do something that you have promised, then it acquires a kind of urgency and importance even if it wouldn’t harm you not to do it in a timely manner.

I don't agree with this though. If someone is waiting for me to do something that I've promised, and I don't do it, I'm going to suffer the harm of stress, guilt, shame, etc. related to breaking my promise and people thinking I'm unreliable. I think this idea only works if we define "harm" in a very narrow sense to exclude the types of harms that come from the "important" task that we're going to deliberately avoid doing.

tpoacher•1h ago
I had fun reading this. Unfortunately the infinite list of tasks doesn't work for me, because in the end they fade into oblivion but are still somehow important to keep track of, putting them in some sort of no-man's land ...
swiftcoder•59m ago
> one is in effect constantly perpetrating a pyramid scheme on oneself

This is wonderful framing. I love it

s20n•57m ago
Ah yes, yak shaving <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yak_shaving>
boerseth•56m ago
I swear this is how I've gotten good at most of my hobbies. Playing guitar for 20 years has gotten me to a great level for a hobbyist, but not at all because of any virtues like discipline, self control, or routine.

Rather, every day whenever other more important chores or duties loomed, I'd notice one of my guitars laying around, in my couch or my bed or leaning next to my desk. And most times, I'd give in. There's always a new skill, technique, lick, or song that I'm working on, or something I've recently mastered that gives me joy to play.

If anything I think discipline would have hurt my guitar skills over the years.

leventhan•34m ago
Make procrastination your superpower.
srean•13m ago
Over the years I have become more or less convinced that I have adult ADHD. The overlap in symptoms are too difficult to leave unacknowledged.

But, at the same time I have been procrastinating on getting myself diagnosed. Oh, well.

lucideer•11m ago
I feel like this seemed a plausible strategy when I first read it as a serial procrastinator struggling through university 17 years ago.

Now, after many years of applying stuff like this successfully for a couple months only to immediately regress at the first sign of life disruption, after an ADHD diagnosis & a bunch of therapy, this all seems like a fairly immature avoidant coping strategy in retrospect. I'm now fairly productive & don't procrastinate much (relatively speaking) and tbh I wish I'd read less of this crap in the past: I might've gotten help earlier.

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