I'm referring to the far left activists who have developed a habit of coercing individuals, organizations and communities, sometimes with threats of physical escalation, for perceived connections to other political fringes.
I'm referring to those using language along the lines of "they have hitler particles in them".
I'm referring to tech journalists who do nothing except whine about left wing politics, however benign.
It's mind melting.
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Edit: To add colour to the final reference, the same journalist who attacked Framework for issuing Pride stickers is now coming to their defence. It's predictable, it's unproductive, and it should be filtered by anyone who values their time.
Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.
Did you take exception to the company prior to this controversy? After all, they use manufacturing plants in a country which blends far right and far left political ideas concepts quite openly.
So many options!
As someone who doesn't support Trumpism, nationalism, or white supremacy, I also think that illegal immigration is an objectively real problem, that the world is a complicated place where our ideals and reality conflict, and that we (as a society) have lost the ability to engage in meaningful conversation without defaulting to labels and categories.
What's worse, by defaulting to those labels, we increasingly lose credibility because of the generalizations they require, and the alienation of people who don't accept those generalizations.
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Hyprland is a good compositor. Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices, and (love it or hate it) causing a number of people to finally switch to Linux - myself included.
I have yet to see evidence DHH is a far-right racist. He's loud and not subtle about his opinions -- I've never heard him say the despicable hateful things I've heard from actual far-right racists. I don't know as much about the Hyprland dev.
With respect to the Ruby fiasco, I tend to have the contrarian view that supply chain attacks did demand action and clean-up. Access was super loose.
But yeah - I'll probably be labeled a 'far right racist' for having opinions people disagree with.
Clearly linked in the above thread: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...
If he had said indigenous i don't think the writer would have liked it any better tho.
Similarly many comments in the original thread who take great issue with the term who i don't expect to see reeling when native americans or palestinians, etc, etc are refered to.
What's backing this claim?
I tend to presume that the creator/consumer rule applies, and that for every one person that says it out loud, there are 9 others who are doing the same thing silently.
I'm making a claim that's only supported by my personal experience, the evidence I've seen (of people buying it), and the observation that Framework is pushing it for the very same reason.
I'm also being transparent about that.
And, yeah, I'm with your second paragraph. I think much of the country thinks that illegal immigration is a problem, and also thinks that Trump's enforcement of it has been unreasonably brutal and cruel. And a bunch of them think that trans people don't belong on womens' sports teams and that kids shouldn't transition, and also think that trans people don't deserve to be beaten and killed for being trans. And a bunch of them think that wealth inequality is a real problem, and also are deeply skeptical of the proposed solutions. And so on.
Many people are not really sold on the entirety of either party's platform. Unfortunately, all they get to do is vote every two years. One bit of feedback every two years. So Trump thinks he's got a mandate for everything he wants to do, but what he really has is a vote that the country wasn't happy with the way things were going under Biden.
(Now, true, there are also lots of people who are completely bought in to one side or the other. But since such people tend to be more vocal than the not-really-sold-on-either-side types, it makes it easy to overestimate how many people are zealots.
You haven't seen that because there is none.
But the right left will label anybody that has even a slight disagreement as far right.
Nowadays a bunch of things (not all of them, of course) labeled as far right are perfectly fine, so much so that it's the stuff that democrats from 15-20 years ago would have advocated for.
edit: And I'm pretty sure a minutely modified distro doesn't need this amount of donations at this point. It is not having a positive effect on the ecosystem to have so many donations to the most downstream project. All I can feel about this is, at its best, its buying attention through DHH's pre-existing influence. This does not seem to be a great thing to buy at this point.
It also seems like some of the criticism here reflects a very local Canadian political outlook being applied globally. That rarely works because the world’s values and politics differ widely, and enforcing one region’s standards everywhere just drives division and more polarization.
For instance, even within Canada, provinces have very different approaches to religion and immigration, and not all of them align neatly with international norms. These are complex issues, not simple moral tests. Quebec has restrictions on religious symbols in the public sector targetting muslims, prayer in public targeting muslims, and limits on legal immigration(you guessed it, targetting muslims). So it’s hard to take moral absolutism seriously when local politics themselves are complicated.
DHH's public views do overlap with Reform UK’s platform, which (if you believe polls) has substantial voter support right now. Whether one agrees or not, that makes them part of mainstream democratic debate, not fringe extremism. With the recent exodus of MPs from Conservatives to Reform, I would be shocked if they dont win.
I think Framework’s response handled this great. Focusing on open collaboration rather than ideological purity tests.
The politics of some of the contributors is questionable. But it's not illegal to have bad opinions and exercise free speech. And it's certainly not Frameworks job to morally vet every person they interact with.
I do not need to know about the political opinions of the people who grow my food, or change my tires, or build my tools. And I am getting growing tired of intersectional witch hunts, especially when we're getting to so many layers of abstraction.
The fact that framework leadership responded to this by effectively downplaying the issues raised in the OP shows me that they are deeply misguided. Very disappointing.
Also, depending on your own sensibility, anything can be extremist far right or extremist far left.
So yeah... Cut the framework people some slack.
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> Minimizing the extent of political involvement makes any hobby or interest infinitely more enjoyable and less toxic,
Citation needed. Why? I don't feel this at all. It's great to see virtue sang forth, imo.
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Nah, everything has been made political. And that's a big issue.
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