Truly shameful. Does anyone take the Nobel peace prize seriously since Obama won it?
ulrashida•4mo ago
What do you consider shameful about this?
On the surface it looks like Maria fits the mold of previous winners pretty well other than perhaps her efforts are confined to her nation and have less global impact, but that isn't a requirement.
I find it impressive that she has managed to have this impact while at great personal risk.
millerm•4mo ago
I am hoping this is simply a joke and commentary on the current administration's obsession with a previous President.
drweevil•4mo ago
María Coria Machado very much fits the mold of someone approved by exemplars of western neoliberalism. See for example "María Corina Machado, the Venezuelan Margaret Thatcher" (https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-01/maria-co...). So the comparison to Obama in the comment you respond to is particularly apt.
My own view is that anyone labeled "pro-democracy" in the western establishment press is immediately suspect, given what "democracy" has devolved into in the leading western societies. This is not someone who is working in the best interests of the majority of Venezuelans. Rather, like most in the opposition, she is working towards the restoration of the status quo ante, where the ruling class ruled, and every one else knew their place.
>should Mr. Maduro fall, her movement was prepared to take territorial and administrative control of Venezuela...
>She has also touted an economic plan to American and other investors...
This is what "pro-democracy" really means. She is calling for military intervention against her own country, with an implied promise to give "investors" access to Venezuela's natural resources. In most places this would be called treason.
Also, NYT: "Venezuela’s autocratic leader...". Let me know when you call Mr. Trump "America's autocratic leader" and we'll be good.
and, NYT: "the Carter Center [...] found that count to be accurate." No. It said the count could not be independently verified, which is not the same thing.
None of this is the stuff of a Peace Prize.
erxam•4mo ago
>What do you consider shameful about this?
The fact that she's a far-right Zionist-genocide-lover agitating for a fascist-regime-USA military takeover of Venezuela so she can get filthy rich off selling absolutely everything in the country for peanuts?
Yeah, I wonder why it's shameful.
Honestly, they should have just given it to Trump outright. It's a meaningless mark of shame either way, might as well let him have his toy.
derelicta•4mo ago
The most hilarious fact about her is that just after receiving the goddamn "peace" medal, she called for the invasion of the Republic she's supposed to represent and defend. Imagine becoming a traitor just to get the favours of a dying fascist Empire.
hulitu•3mo ago
War is Peace. Peace prize is actually war prize.
derelicta•4mo ago
All the personal risk she suffers, she deserves. She's literally rooting for an imperial takeover of the Bolivarian Republic.
NoPie•3mo ago
From another perspective – she wants to restore democracy in her country and wishes it again to become a prosperous society with growing economy.
And perhaps your attitude is why it is more globally relevant than many people think. Many countries have fallen into this lack of democracy that needs to be restored. Cuba is the closest example.
derelicta•3mo ago
Of course, the righteous US Empire spreading democracy to barbarian Republics. I'm sure bombings will help their GDP, a bit like when NATO took over Yugoslavia to prop up its economy!
derelicta•4mo ago
ulrashida•4mo ago
On the surface it looks like Maria fits the mold of previous winners pretty well other than perhaps her efforts are confined to her nation and have less global impact, but that isn't a requirement.
I find it impressive that she has managed to have this impact while at great personal risk.
millerm•4mo ago
drweevil•4mo ago
My own view is that anyone labeled "pro-democracy" in the western establishment press is immediately suspect, given what "democracy" has devolved into in the leading western societies. This is not someone who is working in the best interests of the majority of Venezuelans. Rather, like most in the opposition, she is working towards the restoration of the status quo ante, where the ruling class ruled, and every one else knew their place.
So yeah, shameful. But unsurprising.
drweevil•3mo ago
From the article:
>should Mr. Maduro fall, her movement was prepared to take territorial and administrative control of Venezuela...
>She has also touted an economic plan to American and other investors...
This is what "pro-democracy" really means. She is calling for military intervention against her own country, with an implied promise to give "investors" access to Venezuela's natural resources. In most places this would be called treason.
Also, NYT: "Venezuela’s autocratic leader...". Let me know when you call Mr. Trump "America's autocratic leader" and we'll be good.
and, NYT: "the Carter Center [...] found that count to be accurate." No. It said the count could not be independently verified, which is not the same thing.
None of this is the stuff of a Peace Prize.
erxam•4mo ago
The fact that she's a far-right Zionist-genocide-lover agitating for a fascist-regime-USA military takeover of Venezuela so she can get filthy rich off selling absolutely everything in the country for peanuts?
Yeah, I wonder why it's shameful.
Honestly, they should have just given it to Trump outright. It's a meaningless mark of shame either way, might as well let him have his toy.
derelicta•4mo ago
hulitu•3mo ago
derelicta•4mo ago
NoPie•3mo ago
And perhaps your attitude is why it is more globally relevant than many people think. Many countries have fallen into this lack of democracy that needs to be restored. Cuba is the closest example.
derelicta•3mo ago