Here in the US, I'd expect we wouldn't be adding much new coal or nat gas either if it weren't for all the data centers going up everywhere. The amount of electricity going into the Internet and AI is wild.
Coal is largely keeping existing plants going. I’m doubtful we’ll see anything like we saw when 50% of US power in the early 2000s was coal.
I know these things use a lot, but relative to the national usage is it a significant number? I’ve read this statement a few times but the amount is never quantified to something that makes sense. Like, how much has electricity usage increased in the last two years and can be directly attributed to data centers?
If bitcoin is using the same as 17 million people, that'd really not that much in relation to the overall population.
It's nice to know that the rest of the world is still pushing forwards, up a steep hill, in first gear. I hope it can continue, and the hill shrinks.
It'll lead to sone interesting and unpleasant political fights in the future, I suspect.
It’s more an issue of US ability to compete in an emerging market IMO.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide...
China is in some ways the world's factory.
In my country there is no govt subsidy for solar. But math doesn't lie. A typical residential system returns 16% on capital invested. Not surprisingly residential solar here is now measured in Gw.
The good news for the US is that it really doesn't matter if they fall behind. Solar can be installed so quickly that any lost impetus can be made ip in a year or two. There's basically very little lead time required between decision and implementation.
Germany’s per-capita GDP was 76% of the U.S. in 2015 and is 61% today.
But its one of the few countries these days where I believe emigration would send me significantly backwards.
GDP isnt an interesting metric for this conversation tbh. The US can be "Winning" the monetary accumulation race while still being a terrible place in most other aspects.
Why dont you use "Adult literacy rate" as a comparison.
> The policy outlook for renewables in the United States is so bleak that the IEA lowered the country’s renewable capacity growth expectations by 50 percent compared to last year’s projections.
Maybe room for optimism they are underestimating what non govt supported solar growth would be in the US?
Wars tend to happen when power dynamics change. Either someone is on the rise and thinks they can get more or someone is on the decline and can no longer hold on to what they used to have. I think the middle east is going to be a blood bath once the oil stops making bank. But its not just them, when oil goes away it changes the power dynamics across the world.
It would need possibly big, vulnerable plants to refine, but so does jet fuel and diesel now.
Adding that much electrical capacity is a civilisational task, but an electrical "JP-8 at home" plant in theory is a good security asset, especially for countries with poor oil supply.
If you hold assets which embody mines and wells, you are concerned at this point you're going to have a stranded asset. Strategically, you need the market to endure and so decisions of short term pain like dropping pricing, become important so you can stop people fleeing to other forms of energy. But, if the pricing has to drop below your cost of extraction and processing, there's a limit to how far you can go. Well, that point, for some forms of energy, was reached some time ago.
I think when the Saudi Arabian government started seriously diversifying their economy, it was a pretty strong signal.
Even in my home state (Queensland, Australia: Liberal/National right wing government, backed by coal and mining interests) the commercial realities of owning coal fired power stations has reared it's head, and the state government is making market interventions to prop up coal. It also fixes pricing decisions in state to return a significant profit to the state government with that coal price backed energy supply, which I believe is not dissimilar to Ontario. (happy to be corrected) -People are voting with their feed for rooftop domestic solar and batteries, and the pricing spiral continues.
They could do what the other (Labor) states are doing and get with renewables. They just cancelled pumped hydro, wind and solar deployments on pretty thin logic, but they can't stop the private sector and the move there is pretty clear: It's just cheaper as a path to profit, to sell electricity based on renewables right now. If you don't own a giant hole in the ground of coal generation, you get your money back faster building anything else BUT coal fired power now.
> According to a recent study by the German Chamber of Commerce and Industry, annual investment in the energy, industry, building, and transport sectors would have to more than double if current energy policies were to continue: from an average of around €82 billion between 2020 and 2024 to somewhere between €113 billion to €316 billion in 2035. Early transition models had projected a fraction of that.
We'll see, but I don't know what to believe anymore. In particular, Germany's deindustrialization is unmistakeable and expensive energy may be the culprit.
If AI turns out to be economically valuable the EU fixation on non-nuclear renewables may have turned out to be a very costly error.
WillPostForFood•1h ago
https://thebulletin.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/GettyImag...
zdragnar•1h ago
On the other, a bad hailstorm means a lot of glass and scraps to pick up.
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BLKNSLVR•1h ago
https://cleanenergycouncil.org.au/news-resources/new-guide-s...
aaronbrethorst•1h ago
I was standing in a cornfield in Illinois this time last summer, with a farmer who grew corn for ethanol and was converting much of his fields to solar arrays. He said, I can grow in this acre, and he pointed to an acre in a good farmerly way, he said, in this acre, I can grow enough ethanol to run my Ford F-150 pickup, most beloved vehicle in the American iconography. It’ll run 25,000 miles off the ethanol I can grow on an acre in a year. If I cover that same acre with solar panels, then I can produce enough electrons to run my Ford F-150 Lightning, the EV version of the same truck, I can run that not 25,000 miles, but 700,000 miles.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McKibben
[2] https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/why-is-this-happening/di...
hshdhdhehd•1h ago
* Picture of a city
* Picture of ploughed fields (was wooded preciously)
* Picture of any other type of power generation plant
dvrj101•37m ago
- https://medium.com/appalachian-studies-fall-2017-projects/mo... - https://e360.yale.edu/features/a-troubling-look-at-the-human...
Gigachad•22m ago