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Europe's Digital Sovereignty Paradox – "Chat Control" Update

https://www.process-one.net/blog/chat-control-update-oct-2025/
31•neustradamus•2h ago

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demarq•1h ago
In real life countries can have sovereignty. In cyberspace only individuals can have sovereignty.

Otherwise you’re just choosing who misuses their privilege to your data.

dariosalvi78•1h ago
> It is time for Europe to develop a coherent tech strategy. Can we build digital sovereignty while simultaneously undermining the protocols that enable it?

We should. The problem is that politics is messy and with lots of opposing views. See the GDPR versus this Chat Control absurdity. But _principles_ are those that stick, and I think that the principle that communication should be private _always_ should become sort of constitutional within the EU. We are the ones that vote, we are the ones that need to signal that we don't want to give up privacy for whatever "security" some, completely uninformed, want to promise.

FirmwareBurner•1h ago
>we don't want to give up privacy for whatever "security" some, completely uninformed, want to promise

You'd be surprised how easily people give up their rights for the made up security promises, without putting up a fight.

Let's go through a short list I experienced during my lifetime in my country, off the top of my head.

  -2001 Invasive airport checks after 911

  -2015 mandatory registration with ID of prepaid SIM cards after islamist terrorist attacks 

  -2020-2022 mandatory COVID vaccine ID, to be able travel and enter establishments
None of these saw any kind of major disruptive backlash against the government to convince them to backtrack, so chat control and digital ID to access the internet and comment online is only a matter of time, all it needs is another black swan or even a false flag event.

Sure there was the famous trucker protests in Canada against mandatory COVID pass, but the government cracked down on that, so your protests against systems of control are irelevant. Chat control is inevitably gonna happen with or without your approval.

mavhc•22m ago
People really like staying alive
abc123abc123•8m ago
Oh yes... there's a terrorist behind every bush! I had to chase awat 10 alrady this morning who were out in my garden!

As for corona, it's more or less common knowledge by now that unless you're 60+ a common cold is more dangerous.

Waterluvian•12m ago
I’m still not sure what exactly the trucker protest people wanted (before they got co-opted by a bunch of additional groups with all their additional grievances). It was the U.S. requiring Canadian truckers to be vaccinated and have documentation if they wanted to cross the border. The federal government was responsible for making these documents available for truckers who wanted to do so.
croes•9m ago
If you enter someone‘s house you follow their ruled, but your smartphone is part of your home.

So your exampled don’t quite fit.

Try passing a law with daily house searches for security and you‘ll see the difference.

mschuster91•5m ago
> -2020-2022 mandatory COVID vaccine ID, to be able travel and enter establishments

That one makes sense for any government valuing the lives of its citizens. COVID was one hell of a nasty bug for healthy people, and for those not in good health it often meant death.

COVID cost the lives of at least 7 million people worldwide, of which 1.2 million were in the USA. "The cost of <<freedom>>" one might say if one were absolutely cynical, simply because of the massive difference in deaths per capita to just about every other large developed country [1].

And that doesn't include the cost of lost productivity due to people being out sick, struck by Long COVID/MECFS or having to be caretaker for affected people.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_...

maybewhenthesun•4m ago
> -2020-2022 mandatory COVID vaccine ID, to be able travel and enter establishments

Imo this one was slightly different, because it was (at least where I live) a temporary emergency measure with an end date as a response to an active crisis.

But I agree that people can get blinded by security theater.

lynx97•59m ago
I don't see the EVP loose influence in the forseeable future. Democracy only works in theory.
poisonborz•5m ago
Anybody actually living in EU is absolutely tired of hearing "It is time for Europe to..." It's the standard sentence starter for every "bold proposal" for a decade+. Europe will keep fumbling around. The fragile unity that propelled the sweeping changes of the 90s/00s had fallen apart.
ChrisMarshallNY•57m ago
That’s a fairly sensible writeup.

The issue with these types of battles, is that each side tends to resort to extreme hyperbole.

That basically gives the other side ammunition for wholesale dismissal.

It’s important (IMNSHO) to have reasonable, sane discussions, and avoid falling into the “screeching monkey” trap.

HPsquared•24m ago
It tends to happen when people discuss abstract topics. Interesting phenomenon.
croes•8m ago
And at the same time Ursula von der Leyen keeps deleting work messages … to free storage
zoobab•7m ago
Ministers are making laws for themselves, especially their police services.

Montesquieu warned about the seperation of powers between the legislator and the executive, but it seems that it is still not the case at the EU level.

roenxi•6m ago
At this level it really is a case of purpose-of-the-system-is-what-it-does. The EU is clearly not interested in building up a tech sector. Factions in the EU, yes. EU as a block, no. They've shown less than no interest; the EU would be a great place to build software companies if the governments weren't hostile to the idea of large tech companies which is where the market wants to go. Nice place to live. Software companies tend to migrate to the US.

I suspect that in the halls of power they would rather interpret "digital sovereignty" as a state where they, the sovereigns, have power in the digital world to mess with EU citizens online lives. It seems very optimistic to think that the EU is suddenly going to get interested in supporting software companies. Even philosophically, why bother changing suddenly just to do something they can ask the Americans to do? Economies require specialisation, everyone can't do everything.

It isn't even a bad thing that the EU doesn't have a thriving software ecosystem but for the fact it appears to be driven by governmental hostility to freedom. Good companies can come from the US. Bad companies can come from the EU. They already have a good FOSS ecosystem. The only problem is the EU seems to be more likely to bring in something like chat control and beat down anyone who achieves enormous success.

egorfine•2m ago
> Can we build digital sovereignty

We did. Cookie banners have persisted for well over a decade, so that's a proven track record.

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