M5 MacBook Pro

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

59•tambourine_man•2h ago

Comments

Printerisreal•1h ago

Lowest tier comes with 16 gb of memory, same memory size with lowest M. air, why Apple?

simonw•1h ago

It looks like the highest tier is 32GB, which really surprised me. I guess we'll have to wait for the M5 Pro / M5 Max for more memory than that.

Bad news for anyone who buys the M5 MacBook Pro as an "AI" machine and finds it can't fit any of the more interesting LLMs!

ortusdux•1h ago

They are running out of ways to differentiate their products.

outside1234•55m ago

Wait what!?!? My MacBook M1 has 64GB of memory for crying out loud.

masklinn•41m ago

M1 maxed out at 16 GB, if you have 64 it’s an M1 Max.

kgwgk•39m ago

Wait what!?!? You may have a MacBook Pro M1 Max for crying out loud.

xuki•47m ago

It has always been this way. Base M1's max RAM was 16GB, M2/M3's was 24GB, M4's was 32GB.

Printerisreal•38m ago

Base m1 was like 4-5 years ago. did we have that much ram with oldest macs too, 30 years ago? 4-5 years at same base RAM is incredibly cheap behaviour from Apple. Some phones are literally close to that RAM now.

masklinn•37m ago

Base M1 had 8GB RAM base and 16 max. Where are you getting “same base ram”?

Printerisreal•35m ago

%100 ram growth in 5 years still very slow and cheap.

sixothree•56m ago

And a "pro" computer that comes with half a tb of storage by default with a $200 premium for another 0.5 tb of storage. Oof. Just gross.

I know people complain at every release. But I look at the three choices presented and they are all disappointing to me. It's a huge turnoff to see the only initial differentiator presented to be a choice between "measly" amounts of RAM and storage to "barely acceptable" amounts.

To get even close to the specs on my Surface Pro I'd have to hit the configurator and spend at least $1000. Even more to hit the config of my work issued HP notebook.

czbond•48m ago

The Pro sales page says their RAM is unified, which is more efficient than traditional. Anyone have a concept by how much more efficient unified RAM performs vs RAM?

Their sales copy for reference:

"M-series chips include unified memory, which is more efficient than traditional RAM. This single pool of high-performance memory allows apps to efficiently share data between the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.... This means you can do more with unified memory than you could with the same amount of traditional RAM."

_joel•44m ago

It's unified on the Air too though?

masklinn•38m ago

RAM has always been unified on every M series CPU.

thefz•26m ago

It just means it's shared between GPU and CPU. Has its advantages in specific workloads, but dedicated super fast GPU RAM usually is better. Everything else in this statement in marketing bullshit and Apple trying to look like they invented the wheel and discovered fire.

masklinn•42m ago

Because the MacBook “pro” with a base (not pro or max) M is and has always been an air with better cooling.

justonceokay•14m ago

For perspective I have a 12 year old MacBook with 8 gigs of ram and it’s still perfectly usable for all the things I do on it. If you need more RAM because you are video encoding, compiling, or gaming (why!?) then you aren’t a basic consumer.

I’m not trying into be a fanboy and maybe it’s a little bit “cope”, but apple has always put as much RAM as is necessary for the computer to work—and not a lot more—in their base models.

Ambroos•1h ago

The lack of WiFi 7 is disappointing. 6E is fine but by now I'd expect 7 in new computers.

lapcat•1h ago

Apple's announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591873

fnordpiglet•1h ago

Sad to release without refreshing the high end line on 16” MBP. I worry they nerfed the 14” MBP to ensure the M4 16” retained better specs to not make the discontinuity worse. Otherwise the 14” outperforming the more expensive 16” would be uncomfortable.

superzamp•55m ago

Isn't the screen size difference basically enough between these two? I can't see why the 16" would need more performance, some ppl just want / can carry large computers with them while some other prefer to have something as small as possible.

anthonyskipper•25m ago

I can see why that sounds sensible, but my personal obsevations are that heavy duty power users almost universally prefer the bigger screens, and those people also want the highest level settings. Most people I know who want smaller screens are not serious power users.

I can see an overlap with people who want smaller computers who also want max power, but I just would not believe that is a significant group. (again, all personal observations)

fnordpiglet•22m ago

It’s more a statement on price and the assumption the more expensive one with the “more capable” chip like the MAX would be expected to not be less performant than any in the lineup. It would be a disappointment, especially for me as I’m about to buy a 16” in November regardless, to be a generation behind while paying more, and it would be not unusual for product reasons to nerf the lower prices chip to ensure it didn’t canabalize the more expensive models sales.

I have to say if I had any choice I would delay my purchase until the 16” catches up rather than buying a generation behind. If I see specs saying M5 14” is more performant for my workloads than my more expensive 16” I’m even more motivated to delay. Most product managers would be aware of these things.

richardubright•47m ago

This is only the M4. Not the M4 Pro or Max, and the 16 has never gotten the base chip.

asadm•48m ago

wait I can’t have M5 with 64GB ram? highest is just 32GB which is ridiculous!

Analemma_•36m ago

It seems like only the M5 base chip is available at the moment. The M5 Pro and Max, whenever those are released, will presumably have higher limits.

justinator•35m ago

and its unified

zozbot234•22m ago

inb4 32GB unified memory is just like 64GB on a Windows laptop.

bananapub•8m ago

they have historically had three tiers of cpus:

- normal - pro - max

pro and max had way more cores and gpus and supported way more ram. today's release is the basic version of the new cpu; if you want more ram you can get the m4pro or m4max based MacBook Pros, or wait for the M5pro/max to come out.

letmetweakit•40m ago

Apparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me.

edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact.

edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120.

[1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...

yohannparis•37m ago

I think it's awesome. I have way to many chargers, specially USB-C, 5, 10, 20, 35, 70, and 95W all over the house and office. If you need one, just shell the extra $100 that corresponds to your needs.

chvid•33m ago

My mbp came with a 140w charger - which I never use.

bombcar•29m ago

Dropping the price was nice. They could have gotten away with a slight reduction in price, and a coupon inside to send away for a "free" charger, and then bask in the millions who couldn't be bothered to do it.

scosman•7m ago

Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box. The box will probably be less than half as thick, doubling shipping efficiency. These are air freight, so the CO2 impact is not negligible.

I'll take the discount and use one of my 12 existing USB-C chargers.

ChrisArchitect•19m ago

Apple M5 Chip

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591799

daft_pink•13m ago

Apple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me.

Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.

xattt•6m ago

[delayed]

lotsofpulp•5m ago

…or they are still working on fine tuning/testing production of the world’s most technologically difficult thing to mass manufacture?

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