Suppose that we don't make a law banning it eventually. So some invest, others don't, deciding instead to focus on their current capabilities. In twenty years we've had an industry transition: everything's electric, those manufacturers died but made a lot of money, which was for the most part not invested in electric car development, but in other industries-- maybe in AI, maybe in something else.
Meanwhile, if we don't do this and instead make a law banning it eventually the manufacturers have no choice. They have to invest in EVs. This means that they will abstain from further developing ICEs and focus, probably, on batteries and electric motors. They can't just run the business for the now to produce dividends to invest in other industries but have to maintain their industry and develop it so that it remains relevant two decades from now.
So it's a social choice: dividends to invest in other industries or the industry existing in the future, and the political decision is the industry existing in the future. I assume that any industry preference for the other path, i.e. disappearing/winding down while paying out dividends has to do with the present relatively (to the zero-interest rate days anyway) high interest rates.
I feel like I only hear this argument after people voted with their vote and somebody doesn't like the result.
That said, not really opposed to continuous raising of ICE / gas tax until it's undesirable since that's how it works a lot of the time for something not immediately dangerous (i.e. C4 is banned, Cigarettes are taxed).
Step #1 put a price on the currently unpriced externalities for fossil fuels. Starting with the pollution they put into the air whenever they operate.
Without massively improving the infrastructure, it is just shooting both the industrial members by killing a well developed product class and the private individuals who cannot buy cheaper budget ICE vehicles. I am all for developing this infrastructure as green as possible. Trying to force it in this short of a timespan is just stupid.
You don't have enough money to buy the cars with lower TCO that you can fuel with renewables installed in your own country, or at worst from EU neighbours?
Instead you need to buy the "cheap" ICE car and then pay again and again and again to import fuels and somehow you have the money for that?
Plus, has anyone who actually runs a grid in that country suggested EVs would be a bad thing? Generally they welcome them as they help bring costs down by using off peak power. So you've shot yourself in another foot by falling for this propaganda.
Infrastructure for importing and processing fossil fuels has been organically developed and it is there everywhere. The European grid and the EV charging stations aren't.
Chinese manufacturers can make cheap cars however many poorer EU countries have actual car factories in them and we probably don't want to close those either.
So either EU Car companies will buckle and make actually affordable cars and EU energy companies get economic incentives and legal help to cut through the bureaucracy of each member state or we stay with ICEs longer. Similarly many landlords in EU countries need to be incentivized to install chargers. Most working class people rent in EU now. Without home charging EVs have less economic incentives.
Without making economic and legal arrangements, forcing poorer countries to buy more expensive cars that cannot be charged is the stupid decision here.
hshdhdhj4444•3mo ago
Otherwise the market is gonna make the decision for them well within 10 years.
The gap between ICE and EVs is already extremely pronounced and EVs still have room to improve and also get a lot cheaper.
And as ICE vehicles lose numbers, while EV numbers rise, the economies of scale cost advantages that ICE vehicles have will start working the other way, especially since ICE vehicles are far more complex with a much more intricate and far reaching supply chain that will be greatly affected by the failure of a few key, often very small, suppliers.
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