Useful clip that clarifies PT's sincere position on the importance of college and elite credentialism.
techblueberry•3mo ago
What I get out of this is a sincere position that “we’re good and you’re bad and we’re smart and you’re dumb and not going to college is great if you agree with me, but if you don’t agree with me, that’s evidence you’re an idiot.”
It’s very weird because they’ll argue whatever they argue because it’s convenient. Either Trump is good because he’s a credentialed elite, or he’s good because he trusts his gut and common sense over intellectualism.
There is no part of this argument that I think is authentic, objectively applied or made in good faith, and actually, I’m not even sure he presents a cohesive argument in his own words here.
copacopab•3mo ago
Trump extremely clearly got in as a nepo kid, so I'd discard him in this argument.
Personally, I find PT's argument sincere that good colleges do measure something important -- even if you disagree with his takes and arguments. I agree with you that his point lost cohesiveness when Bari asked him. He prevaricated -- to a random point on Democrats -- when asked because he didn't want to spell out "Yes, actually, prestige does matter a lot." Something that most, including the hosts of this great blog, agree on tacitly.
techblueberry•3mo ago
What is a “good college” though (to Peter Thiel), Peter Thiel is like the originator of the idea that elite credentialism is a negative indicator in modern society. So probably not any of the institutions like Harvard or Penn or Yale that he mentions in this speech.
copacopab•3mo ago
A college where in order to get in you have to show you've been diligent on grades, extracurriculars, and testing for 18 years straight. Ofc exceptions to this, like Trump; but most of the student body of such a college would fit this description. That's a good college.
PT just doesn't like the world that these people ended up creating after being enointed elites, which in parts I agree with.
twixfel•3mo ago
It's putting the cart before the horse. An elite university matters in so far as it may indicate a strong intellect and strong drive. Trump went to an elite university and presumably is a hard worker but has some level of mental disability. There are many such people like that I would assume.
copacopab•3mo ago
If I elaborate on this, I might find myself in El Salvador by the end of the week. And I need to close my Seed. Choosing silence.
pols45•3mo ago
It feels weird because its targeted at herd animals. The herd animal derives its sense of safety in an unpredictable universe, from the most dominant signaler around they can find. The signal will bounce off or feel manipulative for those who don't need it.
copacopab•3mo ago
Your point here being "people who care about credentialism are herd animals"?
vjvjvjvjghv•3mo ago
I always find it interesting that people who went to elite schools like Stanford are telling others that this is not needed. Or CEOs who make multi million salaries explaining that work is about culture and fulfillment and you should not be after money.
Thiel’s philosophy and that of a lot of other Silicon Valley guys seems to condense to “ we are smart and right and everybody else is stupid”.
copacopab•3mo ago
Yeah, I actually think PT is sincere in his take that prestige actually does matter and so does school as a measure of IQ and ambition, even if you disagree with him -- but I think his larger posse has translated that message to "you shouldn't go to college and build a B2B SaaS instead. Like Patrick Collison!" Which is harmful and dumb.
copacopab•3mo ago
techblueberry•3mo ago
It’s very weird because they’ll argue whatever they argue because it’s convenient. Either Trump is good because he’s a credentialed elite, or he’s good because he trusts his gut and common sense over intellectualism.
There is no part of this argument that I think is authentic, objectively applied or made in good faith, and actually, I’m not even sure he presents a cohesive argument in his own words here.
copacopab•3mo ago
Personally, I find PT's argument sincere that good colleges do measure something important -- even if you disagree with his takes and arguments. I agree with you that his point lost cohesiveness when Bari asked him. He prevaricated -- to a random point on Democrats -- when asked because he didn't want to spell out "Yes, actually, prestige does matter a lot." Something that most, including the hosts of this great blog, agree on tacitly.
techblueberry•3mo ago
copacopab•3mo ago
PT just doesn't like the world that these people ended up creating after being enointed elites, which in parts I agree with.
twixfel•3mo ago
copacopab•3mo ago
pols45•3mo ago
copacopab•3mo ago