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We need to start doing web blocking for non-technical reasons

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/WeShouldBlockForSocialReasons?showcomments
45•birdculture•3h ago

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ACCount37•2h ago
We need to take people who want to make WWW even worse for every non-standard use case, and force them to only ever browse through Tor forever.

Let's keep them on a steady diet of 403 pages and 99 cyclic captchas a day. And see how that changes their tune.

1970-01-01•2h ago
Blocking bots would solve 98% of the problem. We need something that does just that and only that. Once traffic becomes natural again, we can rethink the abuse problem. Charging per click or even per MB sent is an excellent idea that nobody will ever support. I wonder if that is even technically possible.
pjc50•1h ago
Mobile carriers certainly manage to bill per MB. But I don't think people would like their rates.

People forget that a lot of the information pre-web was somewhat pricey, and especially anything routed through a telco. The web drove prices to zero, which has had some bad effects and many very good ones.

SoftTalker•1h ago
Also newsletters, magazines, journals, etc. related to any interest you might have would require a paid subscription. Or a visit to the library, if you could convince them to subscribe.
abtinf•1h ago
Back in the 90s or early aughts, there was an article along the lines of “so you have an anti-spam scheme?”

It listed like 2 dozen spam control schemes that had been proposed that failed, mostly for social reasons.

If I had the link, I would have simply posted it as the reply.

dredmorbius•1h ago
Doctorow FTFW:

<https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt>

Your post advocates a ( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante approach to fighting spam...

munificent•45m ago
Many problems in life are simple provided you have a perfect oracle that can distinguish good actors from bad actors. Alas...
truesign•22m ago
agree, https://truesign.ai does just that. Bots and people behind proxies/vpns can't access https://demo.truesign.ai/protected-content for example.
panstromek•22m ago
I don't know, I run a social media platform for learning and bots are almost never a problem apart from occasional bandwidth spike. Most abuse comes from people, and we've definitely applied the principles from the article, because other way we would just get overmhelmed.
LamaOfRuin•2h ago
I am blocked from this post.
esafak•1h ago
Me too. I was browsing on my old Windows 8 computer that I refuse to upgrade and it did not like my OS. I don't like it either, but I'm not going to install a newer version, out of principle.

edit: added version

xiconfjs•59m ago
May I ask which OS you are on getting you blocked?
chuckadams•20m ago
There's zero javascript on the page and it reads perfectly in lynx. I'm not sure how your browser could possibly be a variable here, unless TFA's platform is actively blocking certain user agents (which I suppose isn't quite ironic, but would not exactly send the best message to go with the arguments)
dredmorbius•1h ago
Answering this and other similar arguments/observations, and for the benefit of those unable to read TFA:

To answer one potential criticism, it's true that in some sense, blocking and so on for social reasons is not good and is in some theoretical sense arguably harmful for the overall web ecology. On the other hand, the current unchecked situation itself is also deeply harmful for the overall web ecology and it's only going to get worse if we do nothing, with more and more things effectively driven off the open web. We only get to pick the poison here.

(From TFA.)

thhoooowww0101•1h ago
The problem with these blocks is that they always end up blocking normal users, making the browsing experience worse... the opposite of what the intention was.

I use a forum. The operator decided to block almost every IP range associated with a data center. The problem is that more people are using VPNs due to the spread of geo restrictions, local laws like age verification, etc. And so now I need to disable my VPN - assuming I'm using one - just to access the site.

Borg3•42m ago
If there is indeed a lot of people using VPNs then way not to form darknet already? Ask interested site to peer with you. Peer with others, from overlay network, where you and interested parties will be in control. Its the only way imo. We need to build new net from the scratch, using current Internet as transport. VPNs is so easy to use these days, that even no-tech people can use it. All what is need to be done is to provide service by more technical people.
skywhopper•1h ago
Sure, but the problem is that you can’t easily block the worst actors. And automated blocking by IP or user agent is nearly pointless or counterproductive these days. It’s not entirely clear what actors this author is thinking of, but if you think you can effectively block AI harvesters, you are either kidding yourself, or committing to doing more work for this ethical ideal than is remotely worth the effort.
sroerick•35m ago
Isn't this fundamentally the same problem as ad blockers? Which is essentially a solved problem
dasil003•17m ago
Huh? Blocking senders as you surf the web based on what you want to see is a completely different problem from blocking requests to your server based on what the intent of the requester is. I can think of no way these problems are similar except in the very narrow technical sense of maintaining a blocklist and attaching it to a request cycle, which is really not the hard part of either of these problems.
MountDoom•57m ago
Did this article travel forward in time from the year 1999?

In the early days of the internet, there was definitely a good number of techies who were in control of the infrastructure and believed that as long as you don't mess with other people's toys, you should be allowed to roam freely online. But even then, this wasn't the universal consensus. You would still get shown the door for certain behaviors on the Usenet or on web forums. And many ISPs would still drop you for hard porn, gore, or piracy.

But today, the consensus is that tech companies are the guardians of morality. You can get deplatformed quite easily from all the major platforms just for saying things that others disagree with. Your private files in the cloud (and sometimes on the device) get scanned for contraband. Search engines and LLMs are carefully engineered to never say or encourage the wrong things, and to flag certain things for human review. You'd be hard-pressed to find an online platform or a Western ISP that doesn't bow to social pressures.

yosito•54m ago
Ad-hoc blocking of bad actors is bound to be an endless futile game of wack a mole. The way I see things going, the internet is continuing to move away from an open web and into walled gardens. Those with resources will create large walled gardens like the gardens of Meta, OpenAI and Alphabet, each with their own issues and serving the interests of their owners. Smaller walled gardens will exist, but any time they grow anywhere near the scale of the global web of old, they'll face increasing challenges from bad actors anywhere from spam to scams to ai to propaganda and only those with resources will be able to maintain those walled gardens, and they'll only spend their resources on that if it suits their interests.
sroerick•36m ago
Why couldn't there be a crowdsourced list of ips to block similar to adblocker? You could set flags of IPs to block based on your preferences
Mikhail_K•53m ago
If the USA and Europe decide to got this way, they will be (as in many other ways today) followers, rather than the leaders. China already does large-scale net censorship.
constantcrying•30m ago
Exactly, what this article is arguing for is essentially just the Chinese model of the Internet. The outside is largely inaccessible and the inside is tightly controlled by having political oversight over the large platforms.

No doubt this is effective at achieving the political goal or aims to achieve.

teddyh•26m ago
What I read is just a thinly-veiled “Make shunning socially acceptable and mainstream again!”

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