"George Carlin - Tell the boss (who's the boss)" https://youtube.com/watch?v=p5x7-0mR86A&
I've had to hide laughter in probably almost every interview since learning of this approach to interviewing.
CLI: Clean Language Interviewing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_language_interviewing
I'm more of a three-hour workweek sort of manager.
"The Secret of My Success (1987)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_My_Success_(1987...
Professional boundaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boundaries
Metaphor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
> However, people who express “authentic” opinions that run counter to the group’s views may risk damaging their reputations or relationships.
I feel bad for anyone who doesn't see this as obvious.
I've seen a lot of folks celebrate that their work allows them to be their authentic selves, even though they're well aware that the same opportunity isn't afforded to those with disfavored views or characteristics.
I worked at a household name tech company and you could draw a pie chart of Libertarian, (Self described) Communist, Progressive, Anarchists, and everything in between. Drugs weren't really controversial but you had an entire spectrum of personalities and drugs that were popular in different groups. Everyone kind of accepted each other to be honest.
"I think women are biologically more suited to staying at home with kids."*
Result of saying this at school: some of your classmakes dislike it/you. Maybe they talk shit about you to your friends.
Result of saying this at work: fired.
_*NOTE: I don't actually think this, personally_
I think you’re significantly overstating the certainty here, especially if you couched that in being based on your religious beliefs. A lot of places have senior management who agree with that and most of the times I’ve seen things like that it gets no more than a reminder not to talk religion/politics at work, if even that.
The one exception is if you’re in a policy making position: if it sounds like fuel for a lawsuit arguing that women aren’t being fairly compensated or promoted, that is more likely to get attention. A lawyer I know mentioned that most of the DEI programs his firm setup were requested by CEOs specifically to protect the company from lawsuits, with the goal of being able to cut one manager loose rather than having the whole company be liable.
Billions of people have learned language and algebra and thousands of other topics in school.
I interviewed for a major company and was rejected for being "too combative" after I corrected an interviewer on what unit tests are supposed to cover. I got hired somewhere else and my boss mentioned he had also been rejected by the same company, so I mentioned that they rejected me over being combative. My boss laughed, like rolling on the floor laughing about it - because our company culture was so different that he considered me a peace seeking negotiator between teams.
Culture fit is real.
You don't have to do anything - if it's more important to you to bring your authentic beliefs and opinions in front of others - you're free to do so. But if your number one priority is getting ahead at work - or simply aiming to develop social cohesion with a group around you, conforming to that group's beliefs and culture are helpful. This applies not just to the 40 hours you work, but to any group you want to be welcome in, whether it's your school, country, church or sports team. And after a little while, it's not really pretending anymore.
> Maybe we should tell kids that in school
Half of the reason we have school is to socialize kids to these very concepts. We obviously lecture about peer pressure, but most of this is learned innately. Society couldn't exist without these social pressures, even though they're not always beneficial.
School is a brainwashing machine that limits the range of acceptable dialog and therefore leads to a culture of mediocrity.
Don't get me wrong, you should always be polite and empathetic towards others. But the most world-changing ideas don't come to you when you're dedicating huge amounts of your processing power to self-censoring or arbitrarily creating constraints because you're worried that the group will cancel you over them.
I find it easy to go to work and do my work and just choose not to share some things. That's not pretending as much as good healthy boundaries.
I once sat next door to a group of HR folks who brought their personal lives into the office every day. People in conference rooms I booked crying and so on. Now a random one off of that, whatever, but it happened a lot and people bringing their emotional issues TO work really felt like a weight on me and those around me.
Boundaries can make work a heck of a lot easier to deal with. Depending on your situation it can even be an escape at times.
It was one of the weirder situations I've encountered in the working world. Many of the crying encounters started with what seemed like personal conflicts within the HR team (they sat next to us so you couldn't help but overhear that). Then they'd go to deal with it in the conference room.
Eventually I found a way to safely express the level of distraction and discomfort these constant conflicts were having on me and those around me. Some emotion at work is bound to happen, but folks crying on conference rooms about an argument that seemed to be about banal internal HR processes, there's also an inappropriate amount of emotion too, and that impacts others.
Granted this was the HR team who complained to our management that the 24/7 tech support team who had to be on the phones all day "wasn't very friendly / social" ... it was weird.
Or the folks celebrating it are just playing the game.
I don't mean this in a rude way, but inexperienced, or socially-immature, or spectrum-y people really fail the most with regard to this kind of advice.
There's a (correct) stereotype that spectrum-y people are overly-literal. However, from the perspective of a spectrum-y person this is totally perplexing. Why do people frequently state literal facts which have a secondary, contextual and metaphorical meaning? "Bring your whole self to work" has a really straightforward and literal meaning. It's not a metaphor which requires interpretation. However "bring your whole self to work" is quite obviously not meant to be taken strictly literally. So then why the hell say it like that? Why would people go around saying things which are definitely incorrect and rely wholly on subtext or cultural knowledge? It'd be like if I said, "hey by the way it's safe the change the lawnmower blade while the spark plug is still in" or "looking at the sun won't blind you quickly enough to be risky." And then people are just supposed to know I didn't mean my very literal statement literally.
And if everyone who's normal and socially well adjusted understands that you're not meant to take "take your whole self to work" then what work is this phrase even doing? Why does anyone even say it?
I've known people who were just deeply genuinely nice people. Yeah they can go totally authentic and are entirely welcome. Hell they can invite themselves over for dinner to my house and I'll be happy about it.
My authentic self is sharply sarcastic, critical and at times brutal. My coworkers don't want to deal with that - that's a very chaffing personality especially towards the end of a stressful week and it can very genuinely hurt morale. I very much tone myself down, avoid sarcasm as much as I can, carefully massage critical and direct messaging as best I can and generally try to be aware that the people around me have different communication needs.
And I think people do get a taste of the real person under the facade. I know I get that from my coworkers - I have coworkers who are great coworkers but whose friend I have no interest in being because same thing, their "out of work" authentic self I find off-putting even though they are amazing coworkers.
Not even the most conservative white collar place (super super well known big classic old school engineering company) has ever mentioned jack shit when shit was burning to the ground and we were trying to keep things working
Some workplaces:
- penalize black women for having natural hairstyles like locs
- make Sikhs remove turbans
- deny chosen names and pronouns
There are entire swaths of groups who can't be their authentic selves.
What I don't do is bring all of myself to the workplace. Professional relationships are different than intimate relationships and not every part of me is appropriate for both kinds of relationships simultaneously. But every side I show is authentic.
Maternity leave is a version of BYWSTW. As are PRIDE/ethnicity related activities as work. Should we jettison those?
I agree it can and is taken to far, but I'd prefer to read an article about actually navigating an office with different types of real people. For example, for example, thermostats preferences, volume preferences, "we a family/team" vs "just a job" preferences, etc.
A great swath of us did not possess the social intelligence to arrive at this conclusion independently upon our arrival in the workforce. I didn't. I got lucky.
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