Nostr is attractive as another decentralized social network, but crypto has tainted it so much that you can't dissociate the two, and that is not attractive at all.
sblom•3mo ago
Both technologies (cryptocurrency and nostr) are very cipherpunk—I'm not particularly surprised that they draw overlapping crowds.
Another take on decentralized source control with more of an emphasis on "federated" and less of one on "censorship resistant": https://tangled.org/
After reading https://radicle.xyz/guides/protocol my first impression it's the same as how it works with Nostr with one key difference in the conceptual model. Nostr uses relays to distribute the data and Radicle is using a gossip model to distribute the data peer-to-peer (the bittorrent model).
They do explain the difference with a federated model. I miss the explainer compared to a relay model.
To me ATProto has not proven yet to be really distributed / decentralized.
In terms of "censorship resistant" you can also think of a 100% uptime of your code / work (your repository). Or always available for anyone with a internet connection.
In the context of a federated network (aka fediverse), that's often not the case (if a federated instance is unavailable, many assets will be missing leading to a unuseable application or service).
dmos62•3mo ago
I was curious so I researched a bit (read their landing page). I don't understand what you mean. It doesn't use cryptocurrencies, except as a way to tip others' content. Or, did you mean that you find the use of cryptography unattractive? That would be such a strange statement. Cryptocurrencies pioneered some awesome technology: I would think it a shame to avoid it just because of some cryptobros.
> Nostr uses the same cryptographic principles of Bitcoin and was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners at the start, but aside from that it doesn't have any relationship with Bitcoin. It doesn't depend on Bitcoin for anything and you don't have to know or have or care about any Bitcoin in order to use Nostr.
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> What about "zaps"? Zaps are a standard for tipping Nostr content using Bitcoin that is implemented by some Nostr clients, but it's fully and completely optional and if you don't care about Bitcoin you don't have to bother about it.
sebastix•3mo ago
What crypto? Cryptocurrency or cryptography? This first one is optional to be used with the protocol. The second not (see NIP-01 https://nips.nostr.com/1).
ASalazarMX•3mo ago
What a question. Obviously I'm all for it to use cryptography in their communications, and It's ridiculous that I have to spell out that I object to the cryptocurrency bros peddling their ecoins all across the board. People there are so desperate to convert electricity into millions of USD.
sebastix•3mo ago
Do you need a token to use ngit? Where does it say you need cryptocurrency to use the protocol?
ASalazarMX•3mo ago
sblom•3mo ago
Another take on decentralized source control with more of an emphasis on "federated" and less of one on "censorship resistant": https://tangled.org/
khimaros•3mo ago
sebastix•3mo ago
After reading https://radicle.xyz/guides/protocol my first impression it's the same as how it works with Nostr with one key difference in the conceptual model. Nostr uses relays to distribute the data and Radicle is using a gossip model to distribute the data peer-to-peer (the bittorrent model).
They do explain the difference with a federated model. I miss the explainer compared to a relay model.
So regarding the peer-to-peer modal, here are some thoughts: How IPFS is broken: https://fiatjaf.com/d5031e5b.html Why IPFS cannot work, again: https://fiatjaf.com/b8e2f959.html
sebastix•3mo ago
dmos62•3mo ago
> Nostr uses the same cryptographic principles of Bitcoin and was kickstarted mostly by a community of Bitcoiners, so it has disproportionately attracted the attention of Bitcoiners at the start, but aside from that it doesn't have any relationship with Bitcoin. It doesn't depend on Bitcoin for anything and you don't have to know or have or care about any Bitcoin in order to use Nostr.
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> What about "zaps"? Zaps are a standard for tipping Nostr content using Bitcoin that is implemented by some Nostr clients, but it's fully and completely optional and if you don't care about Bitcoin you don't have to bother about it.
sebastix•3mo ago
ASalazarMX•3mo ago
sebastix•3mo ago