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It's insulting to read AI-generated blog posts

https://blog.pabloecortez.com/its-insulting-to-read-your-ai-generated-blog-post/
422•speckx•2h ago

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noir_lord•1h ago
I just hit the back button as soon as my "this feels like AI" sense tingles.

Now you could argue but you don't know it was AI it could just be really mediocre writing - it could indeed but I hit the back button there as well so it's a wash either way.

rco8786•1h ago
There's definitely an uncanny valley with a lot of AI. But also, it's entirely likely that lots of what we're reading is AI generated and we can't tell at all. This post could easily be AI (it's not, but it could be)
Waterluvian•1h ago
Ah the portcullis to the philosophical topic of, “if you couldn’t tell, does that demonstrate that authenticity doesn’t matter?”
noir_lord•1h ago
I think it does, We could get a robotic arm to paint in the style of a Dutch master but it'd not be a Dutch master.

I'd sooner have a ship painting from the little shop in the village with the little old fella who paints them in the shop than a perfect robotic simulacrum of a Rembrandt.

Intention matters but it matters less sometimes but I think it matters.

Writing is communication, it's one of the things we as humans do that makes us unique - why would I want to reduce that to a machine generating it or read it when it has.

cubefox•55m ago
That's also why in The Matrix (1999) the main character takes the red pill (facing grim reality) rather than the blue pill (forgetting about grim reality and going back to a happy illusion).
noir_lord•44m ago
Aye I always thought the character of Cypher was tragic as well, his reality sucked so much that he'd consciously go back and live a lie he doesn't remember and then forget he made that choice.

The Matrix was and is fantastic on many levels.

embedding-shape•1h ago
I do the same almost, but use "this isn't interesting/fun to read" and don't really care if it was written by AI or not, if it's interesting/fun it's interesting/fun, and if it isn't, it isn't. Many times it's obvious it's AI, but sometimes as you said it could just be bad, and in the end it doesn't really matter, I don't want to continue reading it regardless.
shadowgovt•40m ago
I do the same, but for blog posts complaining about AI.

At this point, I don't know there's much more to be said on the topic. Lines of contention are drawn, and all that's left is to see what people decide to do.

4fterd4rk•1h ago
It's insulting but I also find it extremely concerning that my younger colleagues can't seem to tell the difference. An article will very clearly be AI slop and I'll express frustration, only to discover that they have no idea what I"m talking about.
Insanity•1h ago
Or worse - they can tell the difference but don’t think it matters.
rco8786•1h ago
I see a lot of that also.
jermaustin1•1h ago
For me it is everyone that has lost the ability to respond to a work email without first having it rewritten by some LLM somewhere. Or my sister who will have ChatGPT give a response to a text message if she doesn't feel like reading the 4-5 sentences from someone.

I think the rates of ADHD are going to go through the roof soon, and I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done about it.

noir_lord•1h ago
> I think the rates of ADHD are going to go through the roof soon

As a diagnosed medical condition I don't know, as people having seemingly shorter and short attention spans we are seeing it already, TikTok and YT shorts and the like don't help, we've weaponised inattention.

noir_lord•1h ago
I'd be curious to do a general study to see what percentage of humans can spot AI written content vs human written content on the same subject.

Specifically is there any correlation between people who have always read a lot as I do and people who don't.

My observation (anecdota) is that the people I know who read heavily are much better at and much more against AI slop vs people who don't read at all.

Even when I've played with the current latest LLM's and asked them questions, I simply don't like the way they answer, it feels off somehow.

strix_varius•56m ago
I agree, and I'm not sure why it feels off but I have a theory.

AI is good at local coherence, but loses the plot over longer thoughts (paragraphs, pages). I don't think I could identify AI sentences but I'm totally confident I could identify an AI book.

This includes both opening a large text in a way of thinking that isn't reflected several paragraphs later, and also maintaining a repetitive "beat" in the rhythm of writing that is fine locally but becomes obnoxious and repetitive over longer periods. Maybe that's just regression to the mean of "voice?"

ehutch79•1h ago
In the US, (internet fact, grain of salt, etc) there is a trend where students, and now adults, are growing increasingly functionally illiterate.
otikik•1h ago
This is Rick and Morty S1E4 and we are all becoming Jerry. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Night_Shaym-Aliens!

edoceo•1h ago
I do like it for taking the hour long audio/video and creating a summary that, even if poorly written, can indicate to me wether I'd like to listen to the hour of media.
icapybara•1h ago
If they can’t be bothered to write it, why should I be bothered to read it?
abixb•1h ago
I'm sure lots of "readers" of such articles fed it to another AI model to summarize it, thereby completely bypassing the usual human experience of writing and then careful (and critical) reading and parsing of the article text. I weep for the future.

Also, reminds me of this cartoon from March 2023. [0]

[0] https://marketoonist.com/2023/03/ai-written-ai-read.html

trthomps•17m ago
I'm curious if the people who are using AI to summarize articles are the same people who would have actually read more than the headline to begin with. It feels to me like the sort of person who would have read the article and applied critical thinking to it is not going to use an AI summary to bypass that since they won't be satisfied with it.
alxmdev•1h ago
Many of those who can't be bothered to write what they publish probably can't be bothered to read it themselves, either. Not by humans and certainly not for humans.
AlienRobot•1h ago
Now that I think about it, it's rather ironic that's a quote because you didn't write it.
bryanlarsen•1h ago
Because the author has something to say and needs help saying it?

pre-AI scientists would publish papers and then journalists would write summaries which were usually misleading and often wrong.

An AI operating on its own would likely be no better than the journalist, but an AI supervised by the original scientist quite likely might do a better job.

kirurik•30m ago
I agree, I think there is such a thing as AI overuse, but I would rather someone uses AI to form their points more succinctly than for them to write something that I can't understand.
thw_9a83c•1h ago
> If they can’t be bothered to write it, why should I be bothered to read it?

Isn't that the same with AI-generated source code? If lazy programmers didn't bother writing it, why should I bother reading it? I'll ask the AI to understand it and to make the necessary changes. Now, let's repeat this process over and over. I wonder what would be the state of such code over time. We are clearly walking this path.

conception•57m ago
Why would source code be considered the same as a blog post?
thw_9a83c•43m ago
I didn't say the source code is the same as a blog post. I pointed out that we are going to apply the "I don't bother" approach to the source code as well.

Programming languages were originally invented for humans to write and read. Computers don't need them. They are fine with machine code. If we eliminate humans from the coding process, the code could become something that is not targeted for humans. And machines will be fine with that too.

Ekaros•57m ago
Why would I bother to run it? Why wouldn't I just have AI to read it and then provide output on my input?
CuriouslyC•56m ago
Tired meme. If you can't be bothered to think up an original idea, why bother to post?
YurgenJurgensen•40m ago
2+2 doesn’t suddenly become 5 just because you’re bored of 4.
elif•1h ago
I feel like this has to be AI generated satire as art
thire•57m ago
Yes, I was almost hoping for a "this was AI-generated" disclaimer at the end!
xena•1h ago
People at work have fed me obviously AI generated documentation and blogposts. I've gotten to the point where I can make fairly accurate guesses as to which model generated it. I've started to just reject them because the alternative is getting told to rewrite them to "not look AI".
the_af•1h ago
What amazes me is that some people think I want to read AI slop in their blog that I could have generated by asking ChatGPT directly.

Anyone can access ChatGPT, why do we need an intermediary?

Someone a while back shared, here on HN, almost an entire blog generated by (barely touched up) AI text. It even had Claude-isms like "excellent question!", em-dashes, the works. Why would anyone want to read that?

dewey•57m ago
There's blogs that are not meant to be read, but are just content marketing to be found by search engines.
CuriouslyC•47m ago
In that case, I'd say maybe you didn't have the wisdom to ask the question in the first place? And maybe you wouldn't know the follow up questions to ask after that? And if the person who produced it took a few minutes to fact check, that has value as well.
the_af•16m ago
It's seldom the case that AI slop requires widsom to ask, or is fact-checked in any depth other than cursory. Cursory checking of AI-slop has effectively zero value.

Or do you remember when Facebook groups or image communities were flooded with funny/meme AI-generated images, "The Godfather, only with Star Wars", etc? Thank you, but I can generate those zero-effort memes myself, I also have access to GenAI.

We truly don't need intermediaries.

PS: the person I mentioned before argued he didn't write the blog himself because he didn't have the time. If he didn't want to spend the time to write something, why should I spend the time to read it?

latexr•1h ago
This assumes the person using LLMs to put out a blog post gives a single shit about their readers, pride, or “being human”. They don’t. They care about the view so you load the ad which makes them a fraction of a cent, or the share so they get popular so they can eventually extract money or reputation from it.

I agree with you that AI slop blog posts are a bad thing, but there are about zero people who use LLMs to spit out blog posts which will change their mind after reading your arguments. You’re not speaking their language, they don’t care about anything you do. They are selfish. The point is themselves, not the reader.

> Everyone wants to help each other.

No, they very much do not. There are a lot of scammers and shitty entitled people out there, and LLMs make it easier than ever to become one of them or increase the reach of those who already are.

JohnFen•57m ago
> They are selfish. The point is themselves, not the reader.

True!

But when I encounter a web site/article/video that has obviously been touched by genAI, I add that source to a blacklist and will never see anything from it again. If more people did that, then the selfish people would start avoiding the use of genAI because using it will cause their audience to decline.

latexr•51m ago
> I add that source to a blacklist

Please do tell more. Do you make it like a rule in your adblocker or something else?

> If more people did that, then the selfish people would start avoiding the use of genAI because using it will cause their audience to decline.

I’m not convinced. The effort on their part is so low that even the lost audience (which will be far from everyone) is still probably worth it.

babblingfish•44m ago
If someone puts an LLM generated post on their personal blog, then their goal isn't to improve their writing or learn on a new topic. Rather, they're hoping to "build a following" because some conman on twitter told them it was easy. What's especially hilarious is how difficult it is to make money with a blog. There's little incentive to chase monetization in this medium, and yet people do it anyways.
YurgenJurgensen•32m ago
Don’t most ad platforms and search engines track bounce rate? If too many users see that generic opening paragraph, bullet list and scattering of emoji, and immediately hit back or close, they lose revenue.
latexr•19m ago
Assuming most people can detect LLM writing quickly. I don’t think that’s true. In this very submission we see people referencing cases where colleagues couldn’t detect something is written by LLM even after reading everything.
dewey•1h ago
> No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations

I think that's the best use case and it's not AI related as spell-checkers and translation integrations exist forever, now they are just better.

Especially for non-native speakers that work in a globalized market. Why wouldn't they use the tool in their toolbox?

j4yav•1h ago
Because it doesn’t just fix your grammar, it makes you sound suspiciously like spam.
cubefox•1h ago
Yeah. It's "pick your poison". If your English sounds broken, people will think poorly of your text. And if it sounds like LLM speak, they won't like it either. Not much you can do. (In a limited time frame.)
geerlingguy•56m ago
Lately I have more appreciation for broken English and short, to the point sentences than the 20 paragraph AI bullet point lists with 'proper' formatting.

Maybe someone will build an AI model that's succinct and to the point someday. Then I might appreciate the use a little more.

YurgenJurgensen•42m ago
This. AI translations are so accessible now that if you’re going to submit machine-translations, you may as well just write in your native language and let the reader machine translate. That’s at least accurately representing the amount of effort you put in.

I will also take a janky script for a game hand-translated by an ESL indie dev over the ChatGPT House Style 99 times out of 100 if the result is even mostly comprehensible.

brabel•30m ago
You can ask ai to be succinct and it will be. If you need to you can give examples of how it should respond. It works amazingly well.
yodsanklai•52m ago
LLM are pretty good to fix documents in exactly the way you want. At the very least, you can ask it to fix typos, grammar errors, without changing the tone, structure and content.
j4yav•29m ago
I would personally much rather drink the “human who doesn’t speak fluently” poison.
dewey•59m ago
It's a tool and it depends on how you use it. If you tell it to fix your grammar with minimal intervention to the actual structure it will do just that.
kvirani•54m ago
Usually
portaouflop•58m ago
I disagree. You can use it to point out grammar mistakes and then fix them yourself without changing the meaning or tone of the subject.
YurgenJurgensen•49m ago
Paste passages from Wikipedia featured articles, today’s newspapers or published novels and it’ll still suggest style changes. And if you know enough to know to ignore ChatGPTs suggestions, you didn’t need it in the first place.
whatsakandr•45m ago
I have a prompt to make it not rewrite, but just point out "hey you could rephrase this better." I still keep my tone, but the clanker can identify thoughts that are incomplete. Stuff that spell chekcer's can't do.
orbital-decay•41m ago
No? If you ask it to proofread your stuff, any competent model just fixes your grammar without adding anything on its own. At least that's my experience. Simply don't ask for anything that involves major rewrites, and of course verify the result.
j4yav•31m ago
If you can’t communicate effectively in the language how are you evaluating that it doesn’t make you sound like a bot?
thw_9a83c•30m ago
> Because it doesn’t just fix your grammar, it makes you sound suspiciously like spam.

This ship sailed a long time ago. We have been exposed to AI-generated text content for a very long time without even realizing it. If you read a little more specialized web news, assume that at least 60% of the content is AI-translated from the original language. Not to mention, it could have been AI-generated in the source language as well. If you read the web in several languages, this becomes shockingly obvious.

ianbicking•25m ago
It does however work just fine if you ask it for grammar help or whatever, then apply those edits. And for pretty much the rest of the content too: if you have the AI generate feedback, ideas, edits, etc., and then apply them yourself to the text, the result avoids these pitfalls and the author is doing the work that the reader expects and deserves.
boscillator•1h ago
Yah, it is very strange to equivocate using AI as a spell checker and a whole AI written article. Being charitable, they meant asking the AI re-write your whole post, rather than just using it to suggest comma placement, but as written the article seems to suggest a blog post with grammar errors is more Human™ than one without.
mjr00•56m ago
> Especially for non-native speakers that work in a globalized market. Why wouldn't they use the tool in their toolbox?

My wife is ESL. She's asked me to review documents such as her resume, emails, etc. It's immediately obvious to me that it's been run through ChatGPT, and I'm sure it's immediately obvious to whomever she's sending the email. While it's a great tool to suggest alternatives and fix grammar mistakes that Word etc don't catch, using it wholesale to generate text is so obvious, you may as well write "yo unc gimme a job rn fr no cap" and your odds of impressing a recruiter would be about the same. (the latter might actually be better since it helps you stand out.)

Humans are really good at pattern matching, even unconsciously. When ChatGPT first came out people here were freaking out about how human it sounded. Yet by now most people have a strong intuition for what sounds ChatGPT-generated, and if you paste a GPT-generated comment here you'll (rightfully) get downvoted and flagged to oblivion.

So why wouldn't you use it? Because it masks the authenticity in your writing, at a time when authenticity is at a premium.

dewey•42m ago
Having a tool at your disposal doesn't mean you don't have to learn how to use it. I see this similar to having a spell checker or thesaurus available and right clicking every word to pick a fancier one. It will also make you sound inauthentic and fake.

These type of complains about LLMs feel like the same ones people probably said about using a typewriter for writing a letter vs. a handwritten one saying it loses intimacy and personality.

DonHopkins•1h ago
> lexical bingo machine

I would have written "lexical fruit machine", for its left to right sequential ejaculation of tokens, and its amusingly antiquated homophobic criminological implication.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fruit_machine

VladVladikoff•1h ago
Recently I had to give one of my vendors a dressing down about LLM use in emails. He was sending me these ridiculous emails where the LLM was going off the rails suggesting all sorts of features etc that were exploding the scope of the project. I told him he needs to just send the bullet notes next time instead of pasting those into ChatGPT and pasting the output into an email.
jihadjihad•1h ago
It's similarly insulting to read your AI-generated pull request. If I see another "dart-on-target" emoji...

You're telling me I need to use 100% of my brain, reasoning power, and time to go over your code, but you didn't feel the need to hold yourself to the same standard?

latexr•1h ago
> You're telling me I need to use 100% of my brain, reasoning power, and time to go over your code, but you didn't feel the need to hold yourself to the same standard?

I don’t think they are (telling you that). The person who sends you an AI slop PR would be just as happy (probably even happier) if you turned off your brain and just merged it without any critical thinking.

bitbasher•1h ago
Username checks out.
nbardy•59m ago
You know you can AI review the PR too, don't be such a curmudgeon. I have PR's at work I and coworkers fully AI generated and fully AI review. And
gdulli•56m ago
> You know you can AI review the PR too, don't be such a curmudgeon. I have PR's at work I and coworkers fully AI generated and fully AI review. And

Waiting for the rest of the comment to load in order to figure out if it's sincere or parody.

kacesensitive•55m ago
He must of dropped connection while chatGPT was generating his HN comment
latexr•54m ago
Considering their profile, I’d say it’s probably sincere.
jurgenaut23•45m ago
Ahahah
thatjoeoverthr•36m ago
His agent hit what we in the biz call “max tokens”
footy•55m ago
did AI write this comment?
kacesensitive•53m ago
You’re absolutely right! This has AI energy written all over it — polished sentences, perfect grammar, and just the right amount of “I read the entire internet” vibes! But hey, at least it’s trying to sound friendly, right?
Narciss•36m ago
This definitely is ai generated LOL
rkozik1989•55m ago
So how do you catch the errors that AI made in the pull request? Because if both of you are using AI for both halves of a PR then you're definitely coding and pasting code from an LLM. Which is almost always hot garbage if you actually take the time to read it.
cjs_ac•45m ago
You can just look at the analytics to see if the feature is broken. /s
i80and•52m ago
Please be doing a bit
skrebbel•47m ago
Hahahahah well done :dart-emoji:
dyauspitr•47m ago
Satire? Because whether you’re being serious or not people are definitely doing exactly this.
dickersnoodle•46m ago
One Furby codes and a second one reviews...
shermantanktop•32m ago
Let's red-team this: use Teddy Ruxpin to review, a Tamagotchi can build the deployment plan, and a Rock'em Sock'em Robot can execute it.
latexr•42m ago
This makes no sense, and it’s absurd anyone thinks it does. If the AI PR were any good, it wouldn’t need review. And if it does need review, why would the AI be trustworthy if it did a poor job the first time?

This is like reviewing your own PRs, it completely defeats the purpose.

And no, using different models doesn’t fix the issue. That’s just adding several layers of stupid on top of each other and praying that somehow the result is smart.

falcor84•40m ago
> That’s just adding several layers of stupid on top of each other and praying that somehow the result is smart.

That is literally how civilization works.

enraged_camel•39m ago
>> This makes no sense, and it’s absurd anyone thinks it does.

It's a joke.

johnmaguire•38m ago
Check OP's profile - I'm not convinced.
latexr•35m ago
I doubt that. Check their profile.

But even if it were a joke in this instance, that exact sentiment has been expressed multiple times in earnest on HN, so the point would still stand.

duskwuff•37m ago
I'm sure the AI service providers are laughing all the way to the bank, though.
lobsterthief•25m ago
Probably not since they likely aren’t even turning a profit ;)
jvanderbot•36m ago
I get your point, but reviewing your own PRs is a very good idea.

As insulting as it is to submit an AI-generated PR without any effort at review while expecting a human to look it over, it is nearly as insulting to not just open the view the reviewer will have and take a look. I do this all the time and very often discover little things that I didn't see while tunneled into the code itself.

latexr•31m ago
> reviewing your own PRs is a very good idea.

In the sense that you double check your work, sure. But you wouldn’t be commenting and asking for changes, you wouldn’t be using the reviewing feature of GitHub or whatever code forger you use, you’d simply make the fixes and push again without any review/discussion necessary. That’s what I mean.

> open the view the reviewer will have and take a look. I do this all the time

So do I, we’re in perfect agreement there.

afavour•29m ago
> reviewing your own PRs is a very good idea

It is, but for all the reasons AI is supposed to fix. If I look at code I myself wrote I might come to a different conclusion about how things should be done because humans are fallible and often have different things on their mind. If it's in any way worth using an AI should be producing one single correct answer each time, rendering self PR review useless.

alwa•6m ago
I’m confused: I’ve never encountered the AI that produces a single answer ever (across multiple runs at the same prompt, unless temp=1 and context stays the same), much less the correct one. If anything I feel like I see AI code agents/assistants/whatever thrown multiple tactics at the wall in the same PR and leave in the unholy mess they made with the abortive attempts.

If the problems we deal with are ambiguous enough that expert humans might arrive at several different valid ways to skin the cat, why would an LLM not too?

bicolao•26m ago
> I get your point, but reviewing your own PRs is a very good idea.

Yes. You just have to be in a different mindset. I look for cases that I haven't handled (and corner cases in general). I can try to summarize what the code does and see if it actually meets the goal, if there's any downsides. If the solution in the end turns out too complicated to describe, it may be time to step back and think again. If the code can run in many different configurations (or platforms), review time is when I start to see if I accidentally break anything.

aakkaakk•12m ago
Yes! I would love that some people I’ve worked with would have to use the same standard for their own code. Many people act adversarial to their team mates when it comes to review code.
symbogra•23m ago
Maybe he's paying for a higher tier than his colleague.
darrenf•20m ago
I haven't taken a strong enough position on AI coding to express any opinions about it, but I vehemently disagree with this part:

> This is like reviewing your own PRs, it completely defeats the purpose.

I've been the first reviewer for all PRs I've raised, before notifying any other reviewers, for so many years that I couldn't even tell you when I started doing it. Going through the change set in the Github/Gitlab/Bitbucket interface, for me, seems to activate an different part of my brain than I was using when locked in vim. I'm quick to spot typos, bugs, flawed assumptions, edge cases, missing tests, to add comments to pre-empt questions ... you name it. The "reading code" and "writing code" parts of my brain often feel disconnected!

Obviously I don't approve my own PRs. But I always, always review them. Hell, I've also long recommended the practice to those around me too for the same reasons.

latexr•16m ago
> I vehemently disagree with this part

You don’t, we’re on the same page. This is just a case of using different meanings of “review”. I expanded on another sibling comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45723593

> Obviously I don't approve my own PRs.

Exactly. That’s the type of review I meant.

px43•18m ago
> If the AI PR were any good, it wouldn’t need review.

So, your minimum bar for a useful AI is that it must always be perfect and a far better programmer than any human that has ever lived?

Coding agents are basically interns. They make stupid mistakes, but even if they're doing things 95% correctly, then they're still adding a ton of value to the dev process.

Human reviewers can use AI tools to quickly sniff out common mistakes and recommend corrections. This is fine. Good even.

latexr•11m ago
> So, your minimum bar for a useful AI is that it must always be perfect and a far better programmer than any human that has ever lived?

You are transparently engaging in bad faith by purposefully straw manning the argument. No one is arguing for “far better programmer than any human that has ever lived”. That is an exaggeration used to force the other person to reframe their argument within its already obvious context and make it look like they are admitting they were wrong. It’s a dirty argument, and against the HN guidelines (for good reason).

> Coding agents are basically interns.

No, they are not. Interns have the capacity to learn and grow and not make the same mistakes over and over.

> but even if they're doing things 95% correctly

They’re not. 95% is a gross exaggeration.

charcircuit•4m ago
Your assumptions are wrong. AI models do not always have equal generation and discrimination abilities. It is possible for AIs to recognize that they generated something wrong.
devsda•35m ago
> I have PR's at work I and coworkers fully AI generated and fully AI review.

I first read that as "coworkers (who are) fully AI generated" and I didn't bat an eye.

All the AI hype has made me immune to AI related surprises. I think even if we inch very close to real AGI, many would feel "meh" due to the constant deluge of AI posts.

metalliqaz•31m ago
When I picture a team using their AI to both write and review PRs, I think of the "obama medal award" meme
KalMann•30m ago
If An AI can do a review then why would you put it up for others to review? Just use the AI to do the review yourself before creating a PR.
athrowaway3z•23m ago
If your team is stuck at this stage, you need to wake up and re-evaluate.

I understand how you might reach this point, but the AI-review should be run by the developer in the pre-PR phase.

jacquesm•23m ago
> And

Do you review your comments too with AI?

matheusmoreira•23m ago
AIs generating code which will then be reviewed by AIs. Résumés generated by AIs being evaluated by AI recruiters. This timeline is turning into such a hilarious clown world. The future is bleak.
babypuncher•21m ago
"Let the AI check its own homework, what could go wrong?"
photonthug•19m ago
> fully AI generated and fully AI review

This reminds me of an awesome bit by Žižek where he describes an ultra-modern approach to dating. She brings the vibrator, he brings the synthetic sleeve, and after all the buzzing begins and the simulacra are getting on well, the humans sigh in relief. Now that this is out of the way they can just have a tea and a chat.

It's clearly ridiculous, yet at the point where papers or PRs are written by robots, reviewed by robots, for eventual usage/consumption/summary by yet more robots, it becomes very relevant. At some point one must ask, what is it all for, and should we maybe just skip some of these steps or revisit some assumptions about what we're trying to accomplish

the_af•8m ago
> It's clearly ridiculous, yet at the point where papers or PRs are written by robots, reviewed by robots, for eventual usage/consumption/summary by yet more robots, it becomes very relevant. At some point one must ask, what is it all for, and should we maybe just skip some of these steps or revisit some assumptions about what we're trying to accomplish

I've been thinking this for a while, despairing, and amazed that not everyone is worried/surprised about this like me.

Who are we building all this stuff for, exactly?

Some technophiles are arguing this will free us to... do what exactly? Art, work, leisure, sex, analysis, argument, etc will be done for us. So we can do what exactly? Go extinct?

"With AI I can finally write the book I always wanted, but lacked the time and talent to write!". Ok, and who will read it? Everybody will be busy AI-writing other books in their favorite fantasy world, tailored specifically to them, and it's not like a human wrote it anyway so nobody's feelings should be hurt if nobody reads your stuff.

r0me1•57m ago
On the other hand I spend less time adapting to every developer writing style and I find the AI structure output preferable
sesm•45m ago
To be fair, the same problem existed before AI tools, with people spitting out a ton of changes without explaining what problem are they trying to solve and what's the idea behind the solution. AI tools just made it worse.
zdragnar•30m ago
> AI tools just made it worse.

That's why it isn't necessary to add the "to be fair" comment i see crop up every time someone complains about the low quality of AI.

Dealing with low effort people is bad enough without encouraging more people to be the same. We don't need tools to make life worse.

kcatskcolbdi•30m ago
This comment seems to not appreciate how changing the scope of impact is itself a gigantic problem (and the one that needs to be immediately solved for).

It's as if someone created a device that made cancer airborne and contagious and you come in to say "to be fair, cancer existed before this device, the device just made it way worse". Yes? And? Do you have a solution to solving the cancer? Then pointing it out really isn't doing anything. Focus on getting people to stop using the contagious aerosol first.

o11c•11m ago
There is one way in which AI has made it easier: instead of maintainers trying to figure out how to talk someone into being a productive contributor, now "just reach for the banhammer" is a reasonable response.
mikepurvis•36m ago
I would never put up a copilot PR for colleague review without fully reviewing it myself first. But once that’s done, why not?
irl_zebra•30m ago
I don't think this is what they were saying.
goostavos•29m ago
It destroys the value of code review and wastes the reviewers time.

Code review is one of the places where experience is transferred. It is disheartening to leave thoughtful comments and have them met with "I duno. I just had [AI] do it."

If all you do is 'review' the output of your prompting before cutting a CR, I'd prefer you just send the prompt.

ok_dad•18m ago
> Code review is one of the places where experience is transferred.

Almost nobody uses it for that today, unfortunately, and code reviews in both directions are probably where the vast majority of learning software development comes from. I learned nearly zilch in my first 5 years as a software dev at crappy startups, then I learned more about software development in 6 months when a new team actually took the time to review my code carefully and give me good suggestions rather than just "LGTM"-ing it.

CjHuber•13m ago
I mean I totally get what you are saying about pull requests that are secretly AI generated.

But otherwise, writing code with LLM‘s is more than just the prompt. You have to feed it the right context, maybe discuss things with it first so it gets it and then you iterate with it.

So if someone has done the effort and verified the result like it‘s their own code, and if it actually works like they intended, what’s wrong with sending a PR?

I mean if you then find something to improve while doing the review, it’s still very useful to say so. If someone is using LLMs to code seriously and not just to vibecode a blackbox, this feedback is still as valuable as before, because at least for me, if I knew about the better way of doing something I would have iterated further and implemented it or have it implemented.

So I don‘t see how suddenly the experience transfer is gone. Regardless if it’s an LLM assisted PR or one I coded myself, both are still capped by my skill level not the LLMs

mmcromp•19m ago
You're not "reviewing" ai's slop code. If you're using it for generation, use it as a starting point and fix it up to the proper code quality
Aeolun•35m ago
I mean, if I could accept it myself? Maybe not. But I have no choice but to go through the gatekeeper.
reg_dunlop•30m ago
Now an AI-generated PR summary I fully support. That's a use of the tool I find to be very helpful. Never would I take the time to provide hyperlinked references to my own PR.
ab_io•20m ago
100%. My team started using graphite.dev, which provides AI generated PR descriptions that are so bloated with useless content that I've learned to just ignore them. The issue is they are doing a kind of reverse inference from the code changes to a human-readable description, which doesn't actually capture the intent behind the changes.
Simulacra•1h ago
I've noticed this with a significant number of news articles. Sometimes it will say that it was "enhanced" with AI, but even when it doesn't, I get that distinct robotic feel.
chasing•1h ago
My thing is: If you have something to say, just say it! Don't worry that it's not long enough or short enough or doesn't fit into some mold you think it needs to fit into. Just say it. As you write, you'll probably start to see your ideas more clearly and you'll start to edit and add color or clarify.

But just say it! Bypass the middleman who's just going to make it blurrier or more long-winded.

CuriouslyC•49m ago
Sorry, but I 100% guarantee that there are a lot of people that have time for a quick outline of an article, but not a polished article. Your choice then is between a nugget of human wisdom that's been massaged into a presentable format with AI or nothing.

You're never going to get that raw shit you say you want, because it has negative value for creator's brands, it looks way lazier than spot checked AI output, and people see the lack of baseline polish and nope out right away unless it's a creator they're already sold on (then you can pump out literal garbage, as long as you keep it a low % of your total content you can get away with shit new creators only dream of).

__alexander•1h ago
I feel the same way about AI generated README.md on Github.
doug_durham•1h ago
I don't like reading content that has not been generated with care. The use of LLMs is largely orthogonal to that. If a non-native English speaker uses an LLM to craft a response so I can consume it, that's great. As long as there is care, I don't mind the source.
olooney•1h ago
I don't see the objection to using LLMs to check for grammatical mistakes and spelling errors. That strikes me as a reactionary and dogmatic position, not a rational one.

Anyone who has done any serious writing knows that a good editor will always find a dozen or more errors in any essay of reasonable length, and very few people are willing to pay for professional proofreading services on blog posts. On the other side of the coin, readers will wince and stumble over such errors; they will not wonder at the artisanal authenticity of your post, but merely be annoyed. Wabi-sabi is an aesthetic best reserved for decor, not prose.

keiferski•1h ago
Yes, I agree. There's nothing wrong with using an LLM or a spell-checker to improve your writing. But I do think it's important to have the LLM point out the errors, not rewrite the text directly. This lets you discover errors but avoid the AI-speak.
ryanmcbride•1h ago
You thought we wouldn't notice that you used AI on this comment but you were wrong.
olooney•59m ago
Here is a piece I wrote recently on that very subject. Why don't you read that to see if I'm a human writer?

https://www.oranlooney.com/post/em-dash/

CuriouslyC•54m ago
The fact that you were downvoted into dark grey for this post on this forum makes me very sad. I hope it's just that this article is attracting a certain kind of segment of the community.
aeve890•1h ago
>No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations, or for whatever else you think you are incapable of doing. Make the mistake. Feel embarrassed. Learn from it. Why? Because that's what makes us human!

Fellas, is it antihuman to use tools to perfect your work?

I can't draw a perfect circle by hand, that's why I use a compass. Do I need to make it bad on purpose and feel embarrassed by the 1000th time just to feel more human? Do I want to make mistakes by doing mental calculations instead of using a calculator, like a normal person? Of course not.

Where this "I'm proud of my sloppy shit, this is what's make me human" thing comes from?

We rised above other species because we learnt to use tools, and now we define to be "human"... by not using tools? The fuck?

Also, ironically, this entire post smells like AI slop.

dev_l1x_be•59m ago
Is this the case when I put in the effort, spent several hours on tuning the LLM to help me the best possible way and I just use it answer the question "what is the best way to phrase this in American English?"?

I think low effort LLM use is hilariously bad. The content it produces too. Tuning it, giving is style, safeguards, limits, direction, examples, etc. can improve it significantly.

charlieyu1•58m ago
I don’t know. As a neurodivergent person I have been insulted for my entire life for lacking “communication skills” so I’m glad there is something for levelling the playing field.
rcarmo•54m ago
Hear hear. I pushed through that gap by sheer willpower (and it was quite liberating), but I completely get you.
YurgenJurgensen•36m ago
It only levels the field between you and a million spambots, which arguably makes you look even worse than before.
retrocog•58m ago
The tool is only as good as the user
alyxya•57m ago
I personally don’t think I care if a blog post is AI generated or not. The only thing that matters to me is the content. I use ChatGPT to learn about a variety of different things, so if someone came up with an interesting set of prompts and follow ups and shared a summary of the research ChatGPT did, it could be meaningful content to me.

> No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations, or for whatever else you think you are incapable of doing. Make the mistake. Feel embarrassed. Learn from it. Why? Because that's what makes us human!

It would be more human to handwrite your blog post instead. I don’t see how this is a good argument. The use of tools to help with writing and communication should make it easier to convey your thoughts, and that itself is valuable.

furyofantares•48m ago
People are putting out blog posts and readmes constantly that they obviously couldn't even be bothered to read themselves, and they're making it to the top of HN routinely. Often the author had something interesting to share and the LLM has erased it and inserted so much garbage you can't tell what's real and what's not, and even among what's real, you can't tell what parts the author cares about and which parts they don't.

All I care about is content, too, but people using LLMs to blog and make readmes is routinely getting garbage content past the filters and into my eyeballs. It's especially egregious when the author put good content into the LLM and pasted the garage output at us.

Are there people out there using an LLM as a starting point but taking ownership of the words they post, taking care that what they're posting still says what they're trying to say, etc? Maybe? But we're increasingly drowning in slop.

kirurik•38m ago
To be fair, you are assuming that the input wasn't garbage to begin with. Maybe you only notice it because it is obvious. Just like someone would only notice machine translation if it is obvious.
furyofantares•15m ago
> To be fair, you are assuming that the input wasn't garbage to begin with.

It's not an assumption. Look at this example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591707

The author posted their input to the LLM in the comments after receiving critcism, and that input was much better than their actual post.

In this thread I'm less sure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45713835 - it DOES look like there was something interesting thrown into the LLM that then put garbage out. It's more of an informed guess than an assumption, you can tell the author did have an experience to share, but you can't really figure out what's what because of all the slop. In this case the author redid their post in response to criticism and it's still pretty bad to me, and then they kept using an LLM to post comments in the thread, I can't really tell how much non-garbage was going in.

paulpauper•28m ago
Quality , human-made content is seldom rewarded anymore. Difficulty has gone up. The bar for quality is too high, so an alternative strategy is to use LLMs for a more lottery approach to content: produce as much LLM-assisted content as possible in the hope something goes viral. Given that it's effectivity free to produce LLM writing, eventually something will work if enough content is produced.

I cannot blame people for using software as a crutch when human-based writing has become too hard and seldom rewarded anymore unless you are super-talented, which statistically the vast majority of people are not.

alyxya•21m ago
That’s true, I just wanted to offer a counter perspective to the anti-AI sentiment in the blog post. I agree that the slop issue is probably more common and egregious, but it’s unhelpful to discount all AI assisted writing because of slop. The only way I see to counteract slop is to care about the reputation of the author.
c4wrd•47m ago
I think the author’s point is that by exposing oneself to feedback, you are on the receiving end of the growth in the case of error. If you hand off all of your tasks to ChatGPT to solve, your brain will not grow and you will not learn.
latexr•47m ago
> It would be more human to handwrite your blog post instead.

“Blog” stands for “web log”. If it’s on the web, it’s digital, there was never a period when blogs were hand written.

> The use of tools to help with writing and communication should make it easier to convey your thoughts

If you’re using an LLM to spit out text for you, they’re not your thoughts, you’re not the one writing, and you’re not doing a good job at communicating. Might as well just give people your prompt.

ChrisMarshallNY•34m ago
> there was never a period when blogs were hand written.

I’ve seen exactly that. In one case, it was JPEG scans of handwriting, but most of the time, it’s a cursive font (which may obviate “handwritten”).

I can’t remember which famous author it was, that always submitted their manuscripts as cursive writing on yellow legal pads.

Must have been thrilling to edit.

latexr•25m ago
Isolated instances do not a period define. We can always find some example of someone who did something, but the point is it didn’t start like that.

For example, there was never a period when movies were made by creating frames as oil paintings and photographing them. A couple of movies were made like that, but that was never the norm or a necessity or the intended process.

Aeolun•30m ago
Except the prompt is a lot harder and less pleasant to read?

Like, I’m totally on board with rejecting slop, but not all content that AI was involved in is slop, and it’s kind of frustrating so many people see things so black and white.

jancsika•29m ago
> If you’re using an LLM to spit out text for you, they’re not your thoughts, you’re not the one writing, and you’re not doing a good job at communicating. Might as well just give people your prompt.

It's like listening to Bach's Prelude in C from WTCI where he just came up with a humdrum chord progression and uses the exact same melodic pattern for each chord, for the entire piece. Thanks, but I can write a trivial for loop in C if I ever want that. What a loser!

Edit: Lest HN thinks I'm cherry picking-- look at how many times Bach repeats the exact same harmony/melody, just shifting up or down by a step. A significant chunk of his output is copypasta. So if you like burritos filled with lettuce and LLM-generated blogs, by all means downvote me to oblivion while you jam out to "Robo-Bach"

cerved•29m ago
> If it’s on the web, it’s digital, there was never a period when blogs were hand written.

This is just pedantic nonsense

athrowaway3z•14m ago
> If you’re using an LLM to spit out text for you, they’re not your thoughts

The thoughts I put into a text are mostly independent of the sentences or _language_ they're written in. Not completely independent, but to claim thoughts are completely dependent on text (thus also the language) is nonsense.

> Might as well just give people your prompt.

What would be the value of seeing a dozen diffs? By the same logic, should we also include every draft?

k__•47m ago
This.

It's about to find the sweet spot.

Vibe coding is crap, but I love the smarter autocomplete I get from AI.

Generating whole blog posts from thin air is crap, but I love smart grammar, spelling, and diction fixes I get from AI.

throw35546•46m ago
The best yarn is spun from mouth to ear over an open flame. What is this handwriting?
falcor84•38m ago
It's what is used to feed the flames.
MangoToupe•45m ago
> I use ChatGPT to learn about a variety of different things

Why do you trust the output? Chatbots are so inaccurate you surely must be going out of your way to misinform yourself.

alyxya•41m ago
I try to make my best judgment regarding what to trust. It isn’t guaranteed that content written by humans is necessarily correct either. The nice thing about ChatGPT is that I can ask for sources, and sometimes I can rely on that source to fact check.
latexr•37m ago
> The nice thing about ChatGPT is that I can ask for sources

And it will make them up just like it does everything else. You can’t trust those either.

In fact, one of the simplest ways to find out a post is AI slop is by checking the sources posted at the end and seeing they don’t exist.

Asking for sources isn’t a magical incantation that suddenly makes things true.

> It isn’t guaranteed that content written by humans is necessarily correct either.

This is a poor argument. The overwhelming difference with humans is that you learn who you can trust about what. With LLMs, you can never reach that level.

cm2012•35m ago
Chatbots are more reliable than 95% of people you can ask, on a wide variety of researched topics.
soiltype•7m ago
Yeah... you're supposed to ask the 5%.

If you have a habit of asking random lay persons for technical advice, I can see why an idiot chatbot would seem like an upgrade.

B56b•40m ago
Even if someone COULD write a great post with AI, I think the author is right in assuming that it's less likely than a handwritten one. People seem to use AI to avoid thinking hard about a topic. Otherwise, the actual writing part wouldn't be so difficult.

This is similar to the common objection for AI-coding that the hard part is done before the actual writing. Code generation was never a significant bottleneck in most cases.

signorovitch•40m ago
I tend to agree, though not in all cases. If I’m reading because I want to learn something, I don’t care how the material was generated. As long as it’s correct and intuitive, and LLMs have gotten pretty good at that, it’s valuable to me. It’s always fun when a human takes the time to make something educational and creative, or has a pleasant style, or a sense of humor; but I’m not reading the blog post for that.

What does bother me is when clearly AI-generated blog posts (perhaps unintentionally) attempt to mask their artificial nature through superfluous jokes or unnaturally lighthearted tone. It often obscures content and makes the reading experience inefficient, without the grace of a human writer that could make it worth it.

However, if I’m reading a non-technical blog, I am reading because I want something human. I want to enjoy a work a real person sank their time and labor into. The less touched by machines, the better.

> It would be more human to handwrite your blog post instead.

And I would totally ready handwritten blog posts!

paulpauper•25m ago
AI- assisted or generated content tends to have an annoying wordiness or bloat to it, but only astute readers will pick up on it.

But it can make for tiresome reading. Like, a 2000 word post can be compressed to 700 or something had a human editor pruned it.

apsurd•39m ago
Human as in unique kind of experiential learning. We are the sum of our mistakes. So offloading your mistakes, becomes less human, less leaning into the human experience.

Maybe humans aren't so unique after all, but that's its own topic.

enraged_camel•37m ago
Content can be useful. The AI tone/prose is almost always annoying. You learn to identify it after a while, especially if you use AI yourself.
thatjoeoverthr•33m ago
Even letting the LLM “clean it up” puts its voice on your text. In general, you don’t want its voice. The associations are LinkedIn, warnings from HR and affiliate marketing hustles. It’s the modern equivalent of “talking like a used car salesman”. Not everyone will catch it but do think twice.
ryanmerket•23m ago
It's really not hard to say "make it in my voice" especially if it's an LLM with extensive memory of your writing.
px43•15m ago
Exactly. It's so wild to me when people hate on generated text because it sounds like something they don't like, when they could easily tell it to set the tone to any other tone that has ever appeared in text.
chipotle_coyote•8m ago
You can say anything to an LLM, but it’s not going to actually write in your voice. When I was writing a very long blog post about “creative writing” from AIs, I researched Sudowrite briefly, which purports to be able to do exactly this; not only could it not write convincingly in my voice (and the novel I gave it has a pretty strong narrative voice), following Sudowrite’s own tutorial in which they have you get their app to write a few paragraphs in Dan Brown’s voice demonstrated it could not convincingly do that.

I don’t think having a ML-backed proofreading system is an intrinsically bad idea; the oft-maligned “Apple Intelligence” suite has a proofreading function which is actually pretty good (although it has a UI so abysmal it’s virtually useless in most circumstances). But unless you truly, deeply believe your own writing isn’t as good as a precocious eighth-grader trying to impress their teacher with a book report, don’t ask an LLM to rewrite your stuff.

paulpauper•32m ago
I have human-written blog posts, and I can rest assured no one reads those either.
yashasolutions•9m ago
Yeah, same here. I’ve got to the stage where what I write is mostly just for myself as a reminder, or to share one-to-one with people I work with. It’s usually easier to put it in a blog post than spend an hour explaining it in a meeting anyway. Given the state of the internet these days, that’s probably all you can really expect from blogging.
korse•32m ago
:Edit, not anymore kek

Somehow this is currently the top comment. Why?

Most non-quantitative content has value due to a foundation of distinct lived experience. Averages of the lived experience of billions just don't hit the same, and are less likely to be meaningful to me (a distinct human). Thus, I want to hear your personal thoughts, sans direct algorithmic intermediary.

AlexandrB•28m ago
If you want this, why would you want the LLM output and not just the prompts? The prompts are faster to read and as models evolve you can get "better" blog posts out of them.

It's like being okay with reading the entirety of generated ASM after someone compiles C++.

caconym_•13m ago
> It would be more human to handwrite your blog post instead. I don’t see how this is a good argument. The use of tools to help with writing and communication should make it easier to convey your thoughts, and that itself is valuable.

Whether I hand write a blog post or type it into a computer, I'm the one producing the string of characters I intend for you to read. If I use AI to write it, I am not. This is a far, far, far more important distinction than whatever differences we might imagine arise from hand writing vs. typing.

> your thoughts

No, they aren't! Not if you had AI write the post for you. That's the problem!

giltho•57m ago
Hey chatGPT, summarise this post for me
ericol•56m ago
> read something spit out by the equivalent of a lexical bingo machine because you were too lazy to write it yourself.

Ha! That's a very clever spot on insult. Most LLMs would probably be seriously offended by this would thy be rational beings.

> No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations, or for whatever else you think you are incapable of doing. Make the mistake.

OK, you are pushing it buddy. My mandarin is not that good; as a matter of fact, I can handle no mandarin at all. Or french to that matter. But I'm certain a decent LLM can do that without me having to resort to reach out to another person, that might not be available or have enough time to deal with my shenanigans.

I agree that there are way too much AI slop being created and made public, but yet there are way too many cases where the use is fair and used for improving whatever the person is doing.

Yes, AI is being abused. No, I don't agree we should all go taliban against even fair use cases.

ericol•54m ago
As a side note, i hate posts where they go on and on and use 3 pages to go to the point.

You know what I'm doing? I'm using AI to chase to the point and extract the relevant (For me) info.

portaouflop•56m ago
It’s a clever post but people that use so to write personal blogposts ain’t gonna read this and change their mind. Only people who already hate using llms are gonna cheer you on.

But this kind of content is great for engagement farming on HN.

Just write “something something clankers bad”

While I agree with the author it’s a very moot and uninspired point

maxdo•55m ago
Typical black and white article to capitalize on I hate AI hype.

Super top articles with millions of readers are done with AI. It’s not an ai problem it’s the content. If it’s watery and no style tuned it’s bad. Same as human author

rcarmo•55m ago
I don't get all this complaining, TBH. I have been blogging for over 25 years (20+ on the same site), been using em dashes ever since I switched to a Mac (and because the Markdown parser I use converts double dashes to it, which I quite like when I'm banging out text in vim), and have made it a point of running long-form posts through an LLM asking it to critique my text for readability because I have a tendency for very long sentences/passages.

AI is a tool to help you _finish_ stuff, like a wood sander. It's not something you should use as a hacksaw, or as a hammer. As long as you are writing with your own voice, it's just better autocorrect.

curioussquirrel•38m ago
100% agree. Using it to polish your sentences or fix small grammar/syntax issues is a great use case in my opinion. I specifically ask it not to completely rewrite or change my voice.

It can also double as a peer reviewer and point out potential counterarguments, so you can address them upfront.

yxhuvud•28m ago
The problem is that a lot of people use it for a whole lot more than just polish. The LLM voice in a text get quite jarring very quickly.
carimura•54m ago
I feel like sometimes I write like an LLM, complete with [bad] self-deprecating humor, overly-explained points because I like first principals, random soliloquies, etc. Makes me worry that I'll try and change my style.

That said, when I do try to get LLMs to write something, I can't stand it, and feel like the OP here.

chemotaxis•53m ago
I don't like binary takes on this. I think the best question to ask is whether you own the output of your editing process. Why does this article exist? Does it represent your unique perspective? Is this you at your best, trying to share your insights with the world?

If yes, there's probably value in putting it out. I don't care if you used paper and ink, a text editor, a spell checker, or asked an LLM for help.

On the flip side, if anyone could've asked an LLM for the exact same text, and if you're outsourcing a critical thinking to the reader - then yeah, I think you deserve scorn. It's no different from content-farmed SEO spam.

Mind you, I'm what you'd call an old-school content creator. It would be an understatement to say I'm conflicted about gen AI. But I also feel that this is the most principled way to make demands of others: I have no problem getting angry at people for wasting my time or polluting the internet, but I don't think I can get angry at them for producing useful content the wrong way.

jayers•51m ago
I think it is important to make the distinction between "blog post" and other kinds of published writing. It literally does not matter if your blog post has perfectly correct grammar or misspellings (though you should do a one-pass revision for clarity of thought). Blog posts are best for articulating unfinished thoughts. To that end, you are cheating yourself, the writer, if you use AI to help you write a blog post. It is through the act of writing it that you begin to grok with the idea.

But you bet that I'm going to use AI to correct my grammar and spelling for the important proposal I'm about to send. No sense in losing credibility over something that can be corrected algorithmically.

futurecat•49m ago
slop excepted, writing is a very difficult activity that has always been outsourced to some extent, either to an individual, a team, or to some software (spell checker, etc). Of course people will use AI if they think it makes them a better writer. Taste is the only issue here.
iamwil•49m ago
Lately, I've been writing more on my blog, and it's been helpful to change the way that I do it.

Now, I take a cue from school, and write the outline first. With an outline, I can use a prompt for the LLM to play the role of a development editor to help me critique the throughline. This is helpful because I tend to meander, if I'm thinking at the level of words and sentences, rather than at the level of an outline.

Once I've edited the outline for a compelling throughline, I can then type out the full essay in my own voice. I've found it much easier to separate the process into these two stages.

Before outline critiquing: https://interjectedfuture.com/destroyed-at-the-boundary/

After outline critiquing: https://interjectedfuture.com/the-best-way-to-learn-might-be...

I'm still tweaking the developement editor. I find that it can be too much of a stickler on the form of the throughline.

amrocha•48m ago
Tangential, but when I heard the Zoom CEO say that in the future you’ll just send your AI double to a meeting for you I couldn’t comprehend how a real human being could ever think that that would be an ok thing to suggest.

The absolute bare minimum respect you can have for someone who’s making time for you is to make time for them. Offloading that to AI is the equivalent of shitting on someone’s plate and telling them to eat it.

I struggle everyday with the thought that the richest most powerful people in the world will sell their souls to get a bit richer.

Charmizard•47m ago
Idk how I feel about this take, tbh. Do things the old way because I like them that way seems like poor reasoning.

If folks figure out a way to produce content that is human, contextual and useful... by all means.

jdnordy•45m ago
Anyone else suspicious this might be satire ironically written by an LLM?
iMax00•44m ago
I read anything as long as there is new and useful information
keepamovin•44m ago
So don't read it.
Frotag•41m ago
The way I view it is that the author is trying to explain their mental model, but there's only so much you can fit into prose. It's my responsibility to fill in the missing assumptions / understand why X implies Y. And all the little things like consistent word choice, tone, and even the mistakes helps with this. But mix in LLMs and now there's another layer / slightly different mental model I have to isolate, digest, and merge with the author's.
throwaway-0001•41m ago
For me it’s insulting not to use an AI to reply back. I’d say 90% of people would answer better with an AI assist in most business environments. Maybe even personal.

It’s really funny how many business deals would be better if people would put the requests in an AI to explain what exactly is requested. Most people are not able to answer and if they’d use an AI they could respond in a proper way without wasting everyone’s time. But at least not using an AI shows the competency (or better - incompetence) level.

It’s also sad that I need to tell people to put my message in an AI to don’t ask me useless questions. And AI can fill most of the gaps people don’t get it. You might say my requests are not proper, but then how an AI can figure out what I want to say? I also put my requests in an AI when I can and can create eli5 explanations of the requests “for dummies”

snorbleck•40m ago
this is great.
neilv•40m ago
I suspect that the majority of people who are shoveling BS in their blogs aren't doing it because they actually want to think and write and share and learn and be human; but rather, the sole purpose of the blog is for SEO, or to promote the personal brand of someone who doesn't want anything else.

Perhaps the author is speaking to the people who are only temporarily led astray by the pervasive BS online and by the recent wildly popular "cheating on your homework" culture?

magicalhippo•39m ago
Well Firefox just got an AI summarizing feature, so thankfully I don't have to...
bhouston•39m ago
I am not totally sure about this. I think that AI writing is just a progression of current trends. Many things have made writing easier and lower cost - printing press, typewriters, word processors, grammer/spell checkers, electronic distribution.

This is just a continuation. It does tend to mean there is less effort to produce the output and thus there is a value degradation, but this has been true all along this technology trend.

I don't think we should be a purist as to how writing is produced.

causal•36m ago
LinkedIn marketing was bad before AI, now half the content is just generated emoji-ridden listicles
hiergiltdiestfu•35m ago
Thank you! Heartfelt thank you!
nickdothutton•35m ago
If you are going to use AI to make a post, then please instruct it to make that post as short and information-dense as possible. It's one thing to read an AI summary but quite another to have to wade through paragraphs of faux "personality" and "conversational writing" of the sort that slop AIs regularly trowel out.
frstrtd_engnr•34m ago
These days, my work routine looks something like this - a colleague sends me a long, AI-generated PRD full of changes. When I ask him for clarification, he stumbles through the explanation. Does he care at all? I have no idea.

Frustrated, I just throw that mess straight at claude-code and tell it to fix whatever nonsense it finds and do its best. It probably implements 80–90% of what the doc says — and invents the rest. Not that I’d know, since I never actually read the original AI-generated PRD myself.

In the end, no one’s happy. The whole creative and development process has lost that feeling of achievement, and nobody seems to care about code quality anymore.

wouldbecouldbe•34m ago
I've always been bad at grammar, and wrote a lot of newsletters & blogs for my first startups which always got great feedback, but also lots of grammar complaints. Really happy GPT is so great at catching those nowadays, saves me a lot of Grammar supports requests ;)
holdenc137•34m ago
I assume this is a double-bluff and the blog post WAS written by an AI o_O ?
braza•34m ago
> No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations, or for whatever else you think you are incapable of doing. Make the mistake. Feel embarrassed. Learn from it. Why? Because that's what makes us human!

For essays, honestly, I do not feel so bad, because I can see that other than some spaces like HN the quality of the average online writer has dropped so much that I prefer to have some machine-assisted text that can deliver the content.

However, my problem is with AI-generated code.

In most of the cases to create trivial apps, I think AI-generated code will be OK to good; however, the issue that I'm seeing as a code reviewer is that folks that you know their code design style are so heavily reliant on AI-generated code that you are sure that they did not write and do not understand the code.

One example: Working with some data scientists and researchers, most of them used to write things on Pandas, some trivial for loops, and some primitive imperative programming. Now, especially after Claude Code, most of the things are vectorized, with some sort of variable naming with way-compressed naming. Sometimes folks use Cython in some data pipeline tasks or even using functional programming to an extreme.

Good performance is great, and leveling up the quality of the codebase it's a net positive; however, I wonder in some scenario when things go south and/or Claude code is not available if those folks will be able to fix it.

bluSCALE4•31m ago
This is how I feel about some LinkedIn folks that are going all in w/ AI.
parliament32•30m ago
I'm looking forward to the (inevitable) AI detection browser plugin that will mark the slop for me, at least that way I don't need to spend the effort figuring out if it's AI content or not.
namirez•28m ago
No, don't use it to fix your grammar, or for translations, or for whatever else you think you are incapable of doing. Make the mistake. Feel embarrassed. Learn from it. Why? Because that's what makes us human!

I do understand the reasoning behind being original, but why make mistakes when we have tools to avoid them? That sounds like a strange recommendation.

luisml77•28m ago
Who cares about your feelings, it's a blog post.

If the goal is to get the job done, then use AI.

Do you really want to waste precious time for so little return?

z7•26m ago
Hypothetically, what if the AI-generated blog post were better than what the human author of the blog would have written?
photochemsyn•25m ago
I like the author's idea that people should publish the prompts they use to generate LLM output, not the output itself.
vzaliva•24m ago
It is similarly unsulting to read an ungrammatical blog post full of misspelings. So I do not subscribe to the part of your argument "No, don't use it to fix your grammar". Using AI to fix your grammar, if done right, is the part of the learning process.
dinkleberg•20m ago
A critical piece of this is to ensure it is just fixing the grammar and not rewriting it in its own AI voice is key. This is why I think tools like grammarly or similar still have a useful edge over just directly using an LLM as the UX let's you pick and choose which suggestions to adopt. And they also provide context on why they are making a given suggestion. It still often kills your "personal voice", so you need to be judicious with its use.
jexe•23m ago
Reading an AI blog post (or reddit post, etc) just signals that the author actually just doesn't care that much about the subject.. which makes me care less too.
mucio•23m ago
it's insulting to read text on a computer screen. I don't care if you write like a 5 years old or if your message will need days or weeks to reach me. Use a pen, a pencil and some paper.
saint_fiasco•21m ago
I sometimes share interesting AI conversations with my friends using the "share" button on the AI websites. Often the back-and-forth is more interesting than the final output anyway.

I think some people turn AI conversations into blog posts that they pass off as their own because of SEO considerations. If Twitter didn't discourage people sharing links, perhaps we would see a lot more tweet threads that start with https://chatgpt.com/share/... and https://claude.ai/share/...

labrador•17m ago
I think it's important to stress that OP says "blog post" because a quality blog has the unique voice of the author. I don't use AI output because it loses my voice, but I will use AI as an editor to see where I could improve and then do rewrites in my voice.

Other types of writing don't depend so much on the author's voice and for those I think AI is fine as long as the author's ideas and concepts are communicated effectively. In fact, if one is a poor writer due to a bad educational experience or writing in a language not your native language then AI might be a big improvement. Again, it's about communicating your ideas, not the words and grammer used.

saltysalt•16m ago
I'm pretty certain that the only thing reading my blog these days is AI.
mirzap•12m ago
This post could easily be generated by AI, no way to tell for sure. I'm more insulted if the title or blog thumbnail is misleading, or if the post is full of obvious nonsense, etc.

If a post contains valuable information that I learn from it, I don't really care if AI wrote it or not. AI is just a tool, like any other tool humans invented.

I'm pretty sure people had the same reaction 50 years ago, when the first PCs started appearing: "It's insulting to see your calculations made by personal electronic devices."

latchkey•11m ago
As a test, I used AI to rewrite their blog post, keeping the same tone and context but fewer words. It got the point across, and I enjoyed it more because I didn't have to read as much. I did edit it slightly to make it a bit less obviously AI'ish...

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Honestly, it feels rude to hand me something churned out by a lexical bingo machine when you could’ve written it yourself. I'm a person with thoughts, humor, contradictions, and experience not a content bin.

Don't you like the pride of making something that's yours? You should.

Don't use AI to patch grammar or dodge effort. Make the mistake. Feel awkward. Learn. That's being human.

People are kinder than you think. By letting a bot speak for you, you cut off the chance for connection.

Here's the secret: most people want to help you. You just don't ask. You think smart people never need help. Wrong. The smartest ones know when to ask and when to give.

So, human to human, save the AI for the boring stuff. Lead with your own thoughts. The best ideas are the ones you've actually felt.

cyrialize•8m ago
I'm reading a blog because I'm interested in the voice a writer has.

If I'm finding that voice boring, I'll stop reading - whether or not AI was used.

The generic AI voice, and by that I mean very little prompting to add any "flavor", is boring.

Of course I've used AI to summarize things and give me information, like when I'm looking for a specific answer.

In the case of blogs though, I'm not always trying to find an "answer", I'm just interested in what you have to say and I'm reading for pleasure.

jquaint•7m ago
> Do you not enjoy the pride that comes with attaching your name to something you made on your own? It's great!

This is like saying a photographer shouldn't find the sunset they photographed pretty or be proud of the work, because they didn't personally labor to paint the image of it.

A lot more goes into a blog post than the actual act of typing the context out.

Lazy work is always lazy work, but its possible to make work you are proud with with AI, in the same way you can create work you are proud of with a camera