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Server DRAM prices surge 50% as AI-induced memory shortage hits hyperscalers

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/server-dram-prices-surge-50-percent
102•walterbell•2h ago

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vondur•2h ago
Desktop memory has also increased in price. I think it’s twice as expensive for DDR5 than it was 6 months ago.
piva00•2h ago
I've just built a gaming PC (after more than a decade without one), for curiosity's sake I just compared the prices I paid for DDR5 2 months ago to now, and at my location it already shows a 25-30% increase. Bonkers...
pton_xd•2h ago
Same, just checked and the "G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series 64GB (2 x 32GB)" RAM I bought 9 months ago for $208 is now $464. That's crazy!
formerly_proven•2h ago
Feast and famine industry, it’s very traditional
brianshaler•2h ago
I think that's nearly exactly what I paid for 2x32GB at a retail store last week. I hadn't bought RAM in over a decade so I didn't think anything of it. Wish my emergency PC replacement had occurred a year earlier!
distances•20m ago
I got 96GB in June with a desktop upgrade, good timing and should be enough for a good while.
big-and-small•2h ago
It's very noticeable:

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

zparky•2h ago
Yep, DDR5 prices have nearly doubled in less than 2 months. https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/#ram.ddr5.5200....
vondur•2h ago
I was able to get a bundle deal from Microcenter here in SoCal with the Ryzen 9950x, motherboard and 32GB of RAM for $699. They have since removed the RAM from all the bundles.
StillBored•1h ago
While thats a sweet upgrade for people with an older desktop that can support a motherboard swap, its worthwhile to point out the ram is probably insufficient.

RAM usage for a lot of workloads scales with core/thread count, and my general rule of thumb is that 1G/thread is not enough, and 2G/thread will mostly work, and 4G/thread is probably too much, but your disk cache will be happy. Also, the same applies to VMs, so if your hosting a VM and give it 16 threads, you probably want at least 16G for the VM. The 4G/thread then starts to look pretty reasonable.

Just building a lot of opensource projects with `make -j32` your going to be swapping if you only have 1G/thread. This rule then becomes super noticeable when your on a machine with 512G of ram, and 300+ threads, because your builds will OOM.

embedding-shape•2h ago
Are those graphs specifically for the US? When I change the country in the top right, it doesn't seem like the graphs are changing, and considering they're in USD, I'm assuming it's US-only?

Is the same doubling happening world-wide or is this US-specific, I guess is my question?

Edit: one data point, I last bought 128GB of RAM in March 2024 for ~€536, similar ones right now costs ~€500, but maybe the time range is too long.

Normal_gaussian•1h ago
In the UK I was looking at DDR4-3200 SODIMM last week for some mini-pcs... and decided to pass after looking at the price graphs. It's spiked in the last few weeks.
embedding-shape•1h ago
What graph you used for UK-specific prices as it seems the earlier graphs referenced here are US-only?
coffeebeqn•1h ago
Maybe it’s time to sell my unused DDR4s! I was thinking it’d be not worth anything at this point
threeducks•1h ago
536 € seems expensive for March 2024, but either way, the price dropped a lot over the last one and a half years, only to surge in the last two months.
embedding-shape•1h ago
> the price dropped a lot over the last one and a half years, only to surge in the last two months.

Yeah, that was my hunch, that something like that was going on. Thanks for clarifying.

pcarmichael•1h ago
They are US-specific, yes. Thanks for asking that - I'll look into updating those graphs to show for the appropriate region/country depending on what country you've selected (on the top right of the page).
numpad0•49m ago
It just means RAMs aren't sold in volume in your area, if you're not feeling it...

[1]: https://kakaku.com/item/K0001448114/pricehistory/ (archive: https://archive.is/CHLs2)

epistasis•1h ago
Even used memory has doubled in price. I was thinking of putting together a high-memory box for a side project, and reddit posts from a year ago all have memory at 1/2 to 1/3 of current ebay prices for the same part.
tempest_•2h ago
Down stream this is driving up DDR4 demand as well :(
guywhocodes•2h ago
I was looking att filling my EPYC servers empty slots, what I paid $90/stick 2-3 years ago is now $430
Scoundreller•2h ago
These price hikes do fun things to the whole market.

In one of the last GPU booms I sold some ancient video card (recovered from a PC they were literally going to put in the trash) for $50.

And it wasn’t because it was special for running vintage games. The people that usually went for 1st rate gpus went to 2nd rate. Pushing the 2nd rate buyers to 3rd rate, creating a market for my 4th rate gpu.

jdc0589•1h ago
I picked a really bad time to start working on a DIY mini-NAS. A ram upgrade is more than what I paid for the whole Thinkcentre M720q.
HPsquared•2h ago
Has the death of Moore's Law been officially announced yet?
renewiltord•1h ago
Moore’s Law has nothing to do with price.
forinti•1h ago
It does but indirectly. Less power and more integration mean things get cheaper to build and run.
charcircuit•1h ago
>"The complexity for minimum component costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year."

I would say that a claim about component cost has something to do with price.

jandrese•1h ago
Gordan Moore died two years ago so I'm not sure who would be the official for declaring it dead.

But there have been plenty of articles over the last decade saying that it was done around 2015 or so.

brador•2h ago
Regular Monopoly/Duopoly like the storage market or Nepopoly like the GPU market?

Either way, without competition expect it to increase further.

markerz•2h ago
It's intense market demand by people with lots of money against products that have a very long supply chain. Even with multiple sellers competing, this kind of demand is insane, and the buyers pockets run deep.

The other way I look at this is that these companies have been collecting an insane amount of wealth and value over the last 2-3 decades, are finally in a situation where they feel threatened, and are willing to spend to survive. They have previously never felt this existential threat before. It's basically bidding wars on houses in San Francisco, but with all the wealthiest companies in the world.

tuhgdetzhh•2h ago
I bet some are already buying the highest capacatiy DDR5 DIMMs in bulk to later put them on eBay in the upcoming major DRAM shortage.
Havoc•33m ago
I’ve been selling unused ddr4 on eBay. It’s not as profitable as one would think tbh even with elevated demand. Only making a profit on the ones I initially acquired 2nd hand
dist-epoch•2h ago
> OpenAI's Stargate project to consume up to 40% of global DRAM output

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/openais-star...

> South Korean SK Hynix has exhausted all of its chip production for next year and plans to significantly increase investment, anticipating a prolonged "super cycle" of chips, spurred by the boom of artificial intelligence, it said on Wednesday after reporting a record quarterly profit.

https://en.ilsole24ore.com/art/korean-chip-race-sk-hynix-has...

> Adata chairman says AI datacenters are gobbling up hard drives, SSDs, and DRAM alike — insatiable upstream demand could soon lead to consumer shortages

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/big-tech/adata-ch...

lousken•2h ago
Have we given up on edge AI this early?
recursive•2h ago
Does edge AI require less RAM?
Macha•1h ago
I would expect edge AI requires much more RAM at a global level due to less efficient utilisation.
sleepyguy•2h ago
Manufacturers learned a valuable lesson a few years ago: overproduction leads to lower prices. Samsung was the first to address this issue by scaling back, and other manufacturers soon followed suit (collusion, cough cough). The past couple of years have been extremely profitable for the entire industry, and they’re not about to increase production and risk hurting their profits.

I suspect they would rather face shortages then satisfy market demand.

tehjoker•2h ago
lower prices are ok if they are selling more units, the question is whether the price point * units is Pareto optimal

overproduction means unsold units which is very bad, you pay a cost for every unsold unit

underproduction means internal processes are strained, customers are angry, but a higher price per a unit... can you increase the price by more than you are underproducing?

bob1029•1h ago
If we want to engage with game theory here, I would argue that overproduction is a much safer bet than underproduction from the perspective of Samsung, et. al. Underproduction brings additional caveats that manifest as existential risks. For example, encouraging your customers to move to entirely different technologies or paradigms that completely obviate the need for your product in the first place. If you leave a big, expensive constraint in place for long enough, people will eventually find paths around it.

I think the Nintendo ecosystem has been a pretty good example of where intentional underproduction can backfire. Another example might be that migration to SSD was likely accelerated by (forced) underproduction of spinning disks in 2011. We use SSDs for a lot of things that traditional magnetic media would be better at simply because the supply has been so overpowering for so long.

You can train your customers to stick with you by bathing them in product availability. Overproduction can be a good thing. Inventory can be a good thing. We've allowed a certain management class to terrorize us into believing this stuff is always bad.

9rx•1h ago
> I suspect they would rather face shortages then satisfy market demand.

Doubtful. A shortage is normally a scary prospect for a vendor. It means that buyers want to pay more, but something is getting in the way of the seller accepting that higher price. Satisfying market demand is the only way to maximize profitability.

Why do you think companies would prefer to make less profit here?

chronciger•1h ago
> Why do you think companies would prefer to make less profit here?

Because if you make too much profit, you get regulated by government.

9rx•1h ago
It's not the 1980s anymore. If you make too much profit nowadays you pull a John Deere and start crying to government that your customers aren't profitable enough (because you siphoned off all of their profit) and need a bailout so that they can pay even more for your product in the future.
bluedino•2h ago
Maybe I can push for some HBM systems now
yread•1h ago
To be fair, RAM was way too cheap. I got 128GB for a laptop for 300eur. That's ridiculous. Now it's much more reasonable 720 eur (and sold out)
johnisgood•1h ago
May you please help me out financially then, friend? ;P Willing to work for it, too!
confirmmesenpai•1h ago
it's ridiculous only if you compare it with Apple RAM prices
ionelaipatioaei•1h ago
I cannot express in words how much I hate this mentality.
Ekaros•1h ago
I hope this AI craze will crash soon enough. Maybe then various things normalize in price again. And consumers get cheaper products with less limitations.
654wak654•1h ago
Best we're getting is probably a stop to the price raises, but no price cuts. Kids will continue to grow up not knowing a $600 flagship GPU or a $1000 gaming PC.
add-sub-mul-div•1h ago
That's exactly how it works. A whole generation is already unaware that you used to be able to buy PC games anonymously, offline, without a rent seeking middleman service.
nostrademons•1h ago
I think there's always been a rent-seeking middleman service. In the 80s it was retail: you'd go to a physical computer store to buy a game for $50 (note: that's $150 inflation-adjusted, more expensive than most games today), and the retail store, the distributor, and the publisher would all take a cut. In the 2000s it was the developer's ISP, web developer, and credit card payment processor, which were non-trivial in the days before Wix and Stripe.

The shareware/unlock-code economy of the 90s was probably the closest you'd get to cutting out the middlemen, where you could download from some BBS or FTP server without the dev getting involved at all and then send them money to have them email you an unlock code, but it was a lot of manual work on the developer's part, and a lot of trust.

philipallstar•1h ago
None of this is rent-seeking.
andreybaskov•1h ago
Retail store literally had to pay rent to a landlord. How’s that not a rent seeking business?
candiddevmike•1h ago
You used to be able to resell PC games too
littlestymaar•1h ago
> credit card payment processor, which were non-trivial in the days before Wix and Stripe.

Stripe is way more expensive than regular payment processors. Convenient for sure, but definitely not cheap.

gordonhart•1h ago
$1000 in 2010 is ~$1500 today — kids won't know these prices because the currency has been debased pretty rapidly in recent years.
NullPrefix•1h ago
This ram price spike is literally part of the currency debasing
bozhark•1h ago
Why does everyone pretend like prices are not post-pandemic gouged still?

Absolutely prices should adjust appropriately… once… oh never mind

littlestymaar•1h ago
Pet peeve: Contrary to a persistent popular belief, inflation != currency debasement.

(You can have inflation while your currency go up relatively to all the others on the FX market, like what happened to USD in 2022-S1, or you can have massive inflation difference between countries sharing the same currency, like it happened in the Euro Area between 2022 and today).

gruez•51m ago
>Pet peeve: Contrary to a persistent popular belief, inflation != currency debasement.

Not to mention that "debasement" doesn't make sense anymore given that there basically aren't any currencies on the gold standard anymore. At best you could call a pegged currency that was devalued as being debased (with the base being the pegged currency), but that doesn't apply to USD. "debasement" therefore is just a pejorative way saying "inflation" or "monetary expansion".

zonkerdonker•1h ago
It really is a damn shame, but before AI, it was cryptomining. Desktop GPU prices have been inflated to nonsense levels for gamers, to the point where console vs. PC isnt even really question anymore.
Ekaros•1h ago
And even with increased priced you often still get paltry amount of RAM. All for market segmentation due to AI use cases. Which is bad as requirements have crept up.
MyOutfitIsVague•1h ago
Really frustrating for a hobbyist 3D artist. Rendering eats gobs of RAM for complex scenes. I'd really love a mid-level GPU with lots of VRAM for under $500. As is, I'm stuck rendering on CPU at a tenth the speed or making it work with compositing.
zargon•1h ago
3d rendering can use multiple GPUs right? Maybe pick up a couple MI50 32GB cards off Alibaba. A couple months ago they were $100 each but it looks like they're up to ~$160 now.
some-guy•1h ago
In some ways though, the increase in visual fidelity has been _marginally_ improved on a per-year basis since the PS4/Xbone era. My GPUs have had much, much longer useful lives than the 90s/early-2000s.
0cf8612b2e1e•1h ago
If you stay off of the upgrade treadmill, you can game with a pretty dated card at this point. Sure, you cannot turn on all of the shines, but thanks to consoles, a playable build is quite attainable.
littlestymaar•1h ago
If you're willing to accept the performance level of a console, then you can buy a second-hand 3060 for cheap.
nostrademons•1h ago
Depends whether or not there's a big bubble burst that involves bankruptcies and Big Tech massively downscaling their cloud computing divisions. Most likely they'll just end up repurposing the compute and lowering cloud rates to attract new enterprise customers, but if you see outright fire sales from bankruptcies and liquidations, people will be able to pick up computer hardware at fire sale prices.
jonas21•1h ago
For $50, kids these days can buy a Raspberry Pi that would have run circles around the best PC money could buy when I was a kid.

Or, for $300, you can buy an RTX 5060 that is better than the best GPU from just 6 years ago. It's even faster than the top supercomputer in the world in 2003, one that cost $500 million to build.

I find it hard to pity kids who can't afford the absolute latest and greatest when stuff that would have absolutely blown my mind as a kid is available for cheap.

sapiogram•43m ago
> Or, for $300, you can buy an RTX 5060 that is better than the best GPU from just 6 years ago. It's even faster than the top supercomputer in the world in 2003, one that cost $500 million to build.

RTX 5060 is slower than the RTX 2080 Ti, released September 2018. Digital Foundry found it to be 4% slower in 1080p, 13% slower in 1440p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Ob40dZ3JU

embedding-shape•1h ago
Is that really the cause of this price increase? I still don't understand if this price surge is specifically for the US (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45812691) or if it's worldwide, I'm not sure I notice anything here in Southern Europe, so either that means it's lagging and I should load up RAM today, or this is indeed US-specific. But I don't know what's true.
confirmmesenpai•1h ago
you should look more carefully, RAM prices are up across Europe, 40% or so
embedding-shape•1h ago
I did (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45812691), the RAM I bought in March 2024 currently costs about the same as when I bought it, seems the price stagnated rather than increased for that specific example.

Do you have some concrete examples of where I can look?

zrm•1h ago
In the US some of it could be tariffs. Micron is a US company with some US fabs but most of theirs are in other countries and Samsung and Hynix are both South Korea.
walterbell•1h ago
U.S. tariffs inadvertently kept prices low, due to stockpiling of memory when prices were cheap, before tariffs took effect. As that inventory is depleted, new supply chain purchases are much more expensive and subject to tariffs.
cstuder•1h ago
It feels like we're actually living in the Universal Paperclips universe.
Thev00d00•1h ago
Prime time to build an AM4 system!
embedding-shape•1h ago
And here I'm sitting with my AM4 system, debating if to go AM5, sTR5, sTRX4 or what when it's time for the next upgrade.
forinti•1h ago
I'm still happy with my AM3.
embedding-shape•11m ago
In the end I just need more available PCIe lanes (so I can chuck more disks in there) and ideally PCIe Gen 5, otherwise I don't have much reason to upgrade.
walterbell•1h ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chip-crunch-how-ai-boom-...

> spot prices of DRAM, used in various applications, nearly tripled in September from a year earlier.. improving profitability of non-HBM chips has helped fuel memory chipmakers' share price rally this year, with Samsung's stock up more than 80%, while SK Hynix and Micron shares have soared 170% and 140% respectively... industry is going through a classic shortage that usually lasts a year or two, and TechInsights is forecasting a chip industry downturn in 2027.

Micron has US memory semiconductor fab capacity coming online in 2027 through 2040s, based on $150B new construction.

Are some HBM chips idle due to lack of electrical power? https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-has-ai-...

> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has said the company has AI GPUs sitting idle because it doesn’t have enough power to install them.

If the PC supply chain will be impacted by memory shortages until 2027, could Windows 10 security support be extended for 24 months to extend the life of millions of business PCs that cannot run Windows 11?

bigbadfeline•50m ago
> Micron has US memory semiconductor fab capacity coming online in 2027 through 2040s, based on $150B new construction.

Yay, the public is on the hook for $150B of loans to be payed by inflationary pricing.

I guess, you offered the news hoping prices will fall... In terms of real economic analysis there's a lot to say here but let me point at only one of the many entry points of the rabbit hole:

"Microsoft CEO says the company doesn't have enough electricity to install all the AI GPUs in its inventory - 'you may actually have a bunch of chips sitting in inventory that I can’t plug in'

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

Microsoft and all other AI wannabes are hoarding GPUs and thus RAM, they hope to sell them to you for a price of subscription which doesn't change the fact of speculative hoarding and trust-like behavior against the public.

The hoarding and inflation economy we live in is a weapon against the public, at the moment, there's no visible force that isn't laboring diligently on the enhancement of that weapon, so the timeline of change is likely to stretch somewhere between far in the future to infinity... just hoping otherwise is futile.

If you pay attention, you won't fail to notice the propaganda push to convince the public to pay higher electric costs in order to pay the capex for new energy plants and transmission lines. In other words, you pay the price, they own the benefits. And if the propaganda fails, they can always use some more general inflation to do the same, as it's being done elsewhere in the economy.

As I said, this is just scratching the surface, there's a lot more which cannot fit in a single comment.

Edit: actually not. The parent comment was edited after mine, to include a link to MS inadvertently admitting to the hoarding of GPUs and RAM.

hexbin010•43m ago
> the propaganda push to convince the public to pay higher electric costs in order to pay the capex for new energy plants and transmission lines.

This makes me so angry.

The private companies told governments they want money and the governments replied "sure we'll just steal it from citizens and lie and sell it as a tax, no problem. We'll just go hard on the net zero excuse lol" ??

gruez•33m ago
>Yay, the public is on the hook for $150B of loans to be payed by inflationary pricing.

Where does it say it was funded by $150B of public loans?

>which doesn't change the fact of speculative hoarding

All investment resembles "speculative hoarding'. You're pouring money into a project now with the expectation that it'll pay off in decades.

> and trust-like behavior against the public.

???

>If you pay attention, you won't fail to notice the propaganda push to convince the public to pay higher electric costs in order to pay the capex for new energy plants and transmission lines. In other words, you pay the price, they own the benefits. And if the propaganda fails, they can always use some more general inflation to do the same, as it's being done elsewhere in the economy.

Datacenters are actually associated with lower electricity costs in the US

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/10/30/the-data-...

bigbadfeline•19m ago
> Where does it say it was funded by $150B of public loans?

let me repeat something you've already quoted

>> the public is on the hook for $150B of loans to be payed by inflationary pricing.

one more time "to be payed by inflationary pricing"

gruez•3m ago
That framing is non-nonsensical. Even if we grant that capital spending is inflationary, nobody thinks the public is "on the hook" or is paying for it. If I bought a box of eggs, it probably drives up the price of eggs by some minute amount in the aggregate, but nobody would characterize that as the public being "on the hook" for it, or that the public is paying for it "via inflationary pricing". Same if I bought anything else supply constrained, like an apartment or GPU. Seemingly the only difference between those and whatever Micron is doing is that you don't like Micron and/or the AI bubble, whereas you at least tolerate me buying eggs, apartments, or GPUs, so your whole spiel about "payed by inflationary pricing" is just a roundabout way of saying you don't like Micron/AI companies' spending.
riskable•1h ago
Hopefully this will put pressure on the market to produce much more efficient AI models. As opposed to bigger, then bigger, and then even BIGGER models (which is the current trend).

FYI: gpt-oss:120b is better at coding (in benchmarks and my own anecdotal testing) than gpt5-mini. More importantly, it's so much faster too. We need more of this kind of optimization. Note that gpt5-mini is estimated to be around ~150 billion parameters.

KronisLV•1h ago
For what it’s worth, even the Qwen 30B model has its use cases. And as far as some of the better open models go, by now the GLM 4.6 355B model is largely better than the Qwen3 Coder 480B variant, so it seems that the models are getting more efficient across the board.
muldvarp•51m ago
> We need more of this kind of optimization.

Who is the "we" in this sentence? The ultra-rich that don't want to pay white collar workers to build software?

The advantages of LLMs are tiny for software engineers (you might be more productive, you don't get paid more) and the downsides are bad to life-altering (you get to review AI slop all day, you lose your job).

bigbadfeline•24m ago
> The ultra-rich that don't want to pay white collar workers to build software?

This is already a fact and it's set in stone - making AI cheaper won't change anything in that regard. However, a cheaper AI will allow the laid-off software engineers to use models independently of those firing them, and even compete on a equal footing.

Arch-TK•55m ago
Server DRAM? More like all DRAM.

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https://blog.cloudflare.com/welcome-to-connectivity-cloud/
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2•JumpCrisscross•27m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Single Day – lower your anxiety and stop procrastinating

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/single-day-journal-reimagined/id1496498868
1•AlexanderZ•28m ago•1 comments

You are doing your team retrospective wrong

https://domenicoluciani.com/2025/11/03/you-are-doing-your-team-retrospective-wrong.html
1•DLion•28m ago•0 comments

Video Invisible Watermarking at Scale

https://engineering.fb.com/2025/11/04/video-engineering/video-invisible-watermarking-at-scale/
1•root670•31m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Federated app store for self-hosted AI agents (Apache-2.0)

https://github.com/agentsystems/agentsystems
1•brandon-bennett•31m ago•1 comments