Yeah, but it's specifically testing things that implement against a posix API (because generally that's what "native" apis do (omiting libc and other os specific foundation libraries that are pulled in at runtime or otherwise) I would suspect that if the applications that linked against some wasi like runtime it might be a better metric (native wasi as a lib/vs a was runtime that also links) mind you that still wouldn't help the browser runtime... But would be a better metric for wasm (to native) performance comaparison.

But as already mentioned we have gone through this all before. Maybe we'll see wasm bytecodes pushed through silicon like we did the Jvm... Although perhaps this time it might stick or move up into server hardware (which might have happened, but I only recall embedded devices supporting hardware level Jvm bytecodes).

In short the web browser bit is omitted from the title.

WebAssembly is neither web nor assembly. It’s a low level byte code format most similar to LLVM IR.

WAMR (WebAssembly Micro Runtime), wasm2c in WABT (WebAssembly Binary Toolkit), Wasmtime.

Native code generally doesn't have undefined behaviour. C has undefined behaviour and that's a problem regardless of whether you're compiling to native or wasm.

> without undefined behavior

Undefined behaviour is defined with respect to the source language, not the execution engine. It means that the language specification does not assign meaning to certain source programs. Machine code (generally) doesn't have undefined behaviour, while a C program could, regardless of what it runs on.

There's a reason Java applets got deprecated in every browser. The runtime was inherently insecure. It just doesn't work for the web.

Also, targeting the JVM forces you to accept garbage collection, class-based OO and lots of pointer chasing. It's not a good target for most languages.

Java's pretty good, but wasm is actually a game changer.

What would 300% faster mean?

If the original process took 30 minutes to process 10 items, how long would the 300% faster method take?

Setting up docker and a microVM is orders and orders of magnitude harder and less ergonomic then using your browser. These are not at all interchangeable.

> Please just use Docker in a microVM or whatever. It's 0% slower and 100% more mature.

Wasm has different characteristics than docker containers and as a result can target different use cases and situations. For example, Imagine needing plugins for game mods or an actor system, where you need hundreds of them or thousands, with low latency startup times and low memory footprints and low overheads. This is something you can do sanely with wasm but not with containers. So containers are great for lots of things but not every conceivable thing, there’s still a place for wasm.

not only is this a completely different use case, it's not even true:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60840320/docker-50-perfo...

But way more difficult and with a much higher attack surface area.

And also, it's not necessarily apples to apples. It would be nice to be able to drop a compiled WASM module into your codebase and use it from just about any language on the backend. You could reuse a lot of code that way across different services without the overhead of spinning up yet another container. And you could potentially even run untrusted code in a sandboxed way.

Getting an end user to set up and run docker to run an app is a non starter for most things.

does that allow me to do GPU and real-time audio work on windows and macos

Please just use a custom FPGA hand-coded to the exact specifications of the program. It's even less than 0% slower than Docker in a microVM, and unlike Docker, it at least provides one of the two benefits that you quoted from the parent comment. Good thing we already changed the parameters of what they said they're looking for!

Even for small plugins in your app?