Of course no jobs are created. The data centers are there for cheaper energy, laxer environmental regulations and for the ability to process U.S. citizens' data and build files on them where it would be illegal to do that on U.S. soil.
So these companies receive subsidies like in the U.S. How does the government shutdown affect these subsidies in the U.S.? Are SNAP benefits for corporations being halted as well or does it only affect poor people?
bix6•1h ago
Somewhere gives Google etc a tax break for a data center. In exchange Google destroys a huge swath of land, Hoovers up electricity and water, and provides some temporary construction jobs.
In exchange the local residents get nothing… at least if it was a power plant or something they could get some cheaper electricity. Maybe they get slightly better internet connectivity? But from what I’ve read this doesn’t really seem to be the case.
wnevets•1h ago
Isn't that the case for a lot of these corporate welfare programs?
bix6•9m ago
rickydroll•1h ago
> A firm announces a plan to build a new facility, but where? Local and state development officials compete to attract the firm with ever-more-generous tax breaks and subsidies. This scene plays out again and again – even though research shows that incentives do not substantially influence firm behavior, even in the face of media exposes about wasteful giveaways. Why? Governments hope to encourage jobs and business profits, and hubris leads officials to believe “this time will be different,” even if incentives have not worked before.
> But something more pervasive is also at work. My research with Stephen Ellis demonstrates the role of “business climate” in driving economic development professionals and government officials to engage in an incentives arms race. Officials feel they must offer incentives, because failing to compete to attract businesses will be interpreted as evidence that their locality is not business-friendly. States and localities will therefore continue to compete, to the point of giving away more than the value of the new firm or facility. Can American citizens find ways to prevent the negative effects of this no-win arms race?
bix6•10m ago
I guess this is the crux but who really wants a data center? It’s a big flashy number but what does it really do for the community at the end of the day?
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renewiltord•1h ago
I think there was some kind of corruption as to how they get to just repair bikes without giving me anything. I've been a local for way longer than these people.
EDIT: And yes, they do get government money. SF has a city program to encourage local businesses or something so they get grants. Besides all businesses are eligible for SBA loans and no one asked me if they should be.
fluoridation•44m ago
bix6•14m ago
You could fit every bike in your city in there lol.
Cheer2171•7m ago
But don't worry about it, this is something an $850/hr consultant is paid to not understand.
Cheer2171•20m ago
So the industrial factory tax break model often did pay off. Data centers are selling the same story: give us tax breaks for big expensive capital investment and regional prosperity is yours. They often lie about even the direct number of jobs. But the implied regional advantage is definitely dead when it is all cloud and zoom, rather than widgets and happy hours.